Kosh's Shadow 7/16/2024 5:06:26 PM

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Repost from yesterday (but posted "yesterday")

In #4 vxbush said: So what are people’s thoughts on Vance? I read his book and it had some moments of clarity in it followed by standard Democrat big government thinking. I’ve been lead to think, depending on who you read, that he either really likes Trump or he is another deep state embed like Pence. 

This has a lot of interesting information

Too much to quote the good stuff. But be sure to read the last bit, "The Back Pages" - Drinking with J.D. Vance

OK, worth a couple of quotes there (remember both Vance and the reporter have been drinking):

Before I could get my exact question right, Vance launched. “Israel is a country and a nation that doesn't hate its own fucking people,” he said. “I really admire that.”

“Translating the impulse of the multiracial, multicultural middle class turned working class—there’s a lot of work to do,” he said. “But the instincts of the middle-class Black voter, the middle-class white voter, the middle-class Latino voter, are the same.”

And what are they?

“We love our country, but we don’t want to live in a shithole.”

Kosh's Shadow 7/16/2024 6:24:58 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 1:

I had to add this:

On Tuesday, for instance, ProPublica published a leaked transcript of a closed-door speech Vance gave in 2021, in which he “praised conspiracy theorist Alex Jones” and said he was a better source of information than Rachel Maddow. Which is a scary-sounding headline, but we’ll let you be the judge of Vance’s words:

If you listen to Rachel Maddow every night, the basic worldview that you have is that MAGA grandmas who have family dinners on Sunday and bake apple pies for their family are about to start a violent insurrection against this country. But if you listen to Alex Jones every day, you would believe that a transnational financial elite controls things in our country, that they hate our society, and, oh by the way, a lot of them are probably sex perverts too. Sorry, ladies and gentleman, that’s actually a hell of a lot more true than Rachel Maddow’s view of society. 

But then the second criticism I get is, well, he’s a crazy conspiracist, right? He doesn’t believe that 9/11 actually happened or he believed 9/11 was an inside job. And look, I understand this desire to not be called terrible names. It’s like, yeah, ok, this person believes crazy things. But I bet if you’re being honest with yourself, every single person in this room believes something that’s a little crazy, right? I believe the devil is real and he works terrible things in our society. That’s a crazy conspiracy theory to a lot of very well-educated people in this country right now. 

Occasional Reader 7/17/2024 5:47:00 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 2:

I'd prefer a bit more repudiation of Alex Jones, but I get his point.

I'm intrigued by Vance, but he still seems something of a cypher to me. 

vxbush 7/17/2024 6:57:25 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 1:

Thanks. I’ll go read that in a bit. The next few days are a working vacation so I won’t be around as much. 

vxbush 7/17/2024 7:10:17 AM

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Occasional Reader 7/17/2024 8:15:10 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 5:

Thank heavens that the Allied troops who participated in Operation Overlord weren't faced with any deadly sloped roofs at Omaha Beach and the like.  Otherwise, it would have been a suicide mission. 

Occasional Reader 7/17/2024 8:27:35 AM

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JCM 7/17/2024 9:24:05 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 7:

Sounds like a job for Hercule Poirot.

buzzsawmonkey 7/17/2024 11:05:20 AM

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buzzsawmonkey 7/17/2024 12:18:57 PM

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Another presidential-assassination movie, much less well-known than The Manchurian Candidate, is Suddenly, in which Frank Sinatra appears. 

I saw it years ago, and remember little of it---but, if you're looking for semi-topical viewing...

vxbush 7/17/2024 12:27:55 PM

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vxbush 7/17/2024 12:29:53 PM

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Reply to vxbush in 11:

summary:cluster f&ck between local Leo’s not being on the roof as was planned. 

Occasional Reader 7/17/2024 1:01:54 PM

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In #10 buzzsawmonkey said: in which Frank Sinatra appears. 

But does he do any martial-arts fight scenes? 

buzzsawmonkey 7/17/2024 1:48:30 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 13:

Actually, it's kind of interesting that Sinatra plays one of the would-be assassins in Suddenly, but becomes the good guy trying to prevent an assassination in The Manchurian Candidate.

Occasional Reader 7/17/2024 6:28:41 PM

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In #14 buzzsawmonkey said: Actually, it's kind of interesting that Sinatra plays one of the would-be assassins in Suddenly, but becomes the good guy trying to prevent an assassination in The Manchurian Candidate.

The difference is like Night & Day.