buzzsawmonkey 6/10/2020 6:36:53 AM

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In #10 Kosh's Shadow said: Wait until BLM turns into a religion, with George Floyd as their martyr. I guess the'll have a police officer kneeling on him instead of a cross.

Does the name "Horst Wessel" ring a bell?  Or "Lemuel Pitkin," the hapless "hero" of Nathanael West's brutal satire A Cool Million, who gets killed I forget how, but is used as a political martyr?

buzzsawmonkey 6/10/2020 7:15:16 AM

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Notes from the Chicago front, via my sister:

Talked with X last night. Not going to write all of what she said but . . . her son lives at [a street just above the Chicago Loop] (don't recall east or west), on something like the 17th floor. He has a *lot* of health issues and has for many years.

He watched as people drove cars to use as battering rams into the shops below him and then looted with abandon. The result was that the pharmacy on which he depends for his meds was totally trashed and wholly unable to fill some prescription(s) he needed, and the food store on which he relied for his deliveries was similarly destroyed  and not doing deliveries.

He has been basically housebound as a result of covid19 because of his health issues and has been relying on deliveries. But, if I got what X said correctly, because of the riots people who didn't live in his zip code couldn't come in to that zip, or people weren't doing deliveries because it was such a mess or both. In any event, he needed food and meds which he couldn't get through normal channels. He was finally able to identify some person who worked in another drugstore in that chain to work with his insurance and transfer prescriptions to a not-destroyed drugstore and manage to do a delivery because the pharmacist lived in his zip code.

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 7:23:45 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 1:

The George Floyd as Horst Wessel analogy had occurred to me, too, and I think it is completely on point.

vxbush 6/10/2020 7:46:41 AM

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In #2 buzzsawmonkey said: He watched as people drove cars to use as battering rams into the shops below him and then looted with abandon.

And the media hasn't shared one word about this activity. 

vxbush 6/10/2020 7:47:23 AM

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Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 8:05:23 AM

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In #4 vxbush said: And the media hasn't shared one word about this activity

Except to occasionally suggest that it’s all the work of supersecret white supremacist infiltrators.

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 8:10:22 AM

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Step one: barbarians burn down all the supermarkets in their neighborhood, to the sustained applause of NPR.

step 2:6 months later, NPR moans about the “food desert“ in that same neighborhood, attributing this of course to the systemic racism in America.

vxbush 6/10/2020 8:13:53 AM

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In #7 Occasional Reader said: Step one: barbarians burn down all the supermarkets in their neighborhood, to the sustained applause of NPR. step 2:6 months later, NPR moans about the “food desert“ in that same neighborhood, attributing this of course to the systemic racism in America.

Step 3: When anyone points this out, decry that person as a white supremacist and a racist. 

PaladinPhil 6/10/2020 8:23:00 AM

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Got to love the whole own goal approach to some of these protesters. Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone begging for food....

Only thing left to do is blockade them and apply a little siege warfare.

lucius septimius 6/10/2020 8:27:50 AM

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Reply to PaladinPhil in 9:

Cut off food, water, sewer, electricity.  They want to be autonomous?  Than provide all this themselves with their beloved "green" technologies.

buzzsawmonkey 6/10/2020 8:36:16 AM

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Reply to PaladinPhil in 9:

Seattle announces the opening of Antifa Country Safari™, the inner-city "most dangerous game" hunting preserve!

Have you ever wanted a genuine antifa-hide rug for your study or rec room? Now's your chance! The city will be charging admission to enter the game preserve, but there is no bag limit!

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 8:39:20 AM

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Reply to PaladinPhil in 9:

“Bring... soy products”

LOLOLOLOLOL

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 8:43:30 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 10:

tempting idea, but the problem is there are actual citizens trapped in that zone, not all of them necessarily support this madness (only 90% or so). This should be a straightforward law-enforcement issue, there are thugs trying to take over streets, sending the cops and crackheads and restore order. But of course the clowns around the city won’t allow that.

Things like this are why I can’t quite make up my mind whether what’s going on represents a consolidated leftist push for power, or a blue on blue internal Civil War.

lucius septimius 6/10/2020 8:49:08 AM

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In #13 Occasional Reader said: Things like this are why I can’t quite make up my mind whether what’s going on represents a consolidated leftist push for power, or a blue on blue internal Civil War.

It's both.  Antifa is trying to do in Seattle (and other cities) exactly what the Bolsheviks did in St. Petersburg and Moscow in October 1917.  The problem is that there are fewer of them and they don't seem to possess the strategic and tactical sense of Trotsky.  They've seized meaningless targets -- Trotsky took the power stations, train stations, post office, etc. 

The blue-on-blue civil war is also a part of it.  The institutional leftists still think that they are safe and that Antifa and other such groups are on the same side.  They don't realize that the revolution sees them as useful idiots or fellow travelers or simply class traitors.  

Speaking as someone who has spent many years studying revolutions, neither side, in my opinion, has any idea how a real revolution operates.  

As for the 10%, I don't care.  They've made their choice; now they have to live with it.

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 8:51:59 AM

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In #14 lucius septimius said: As for the 10%, I don't care.  They've made their choice; now they have to live with it.

The problem is, if this is allowed to happen there, it metastasizes. Others will try the same thing. All of a sudden I wake up one morning and find my own neighborhood has been declared an “autonomous“ and there are thugs at checkpoints. No. This is our country, not theirs, fuck them. Bust heads, restore order.

lucius septimius 6/10/2020 9:07:53 AM

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In #15 Occasional Reader said: Bust heads, restore order.

But you know as well as I do that's not going to happen.  Instead, the lefty mayors will make sure that these thugs living our the standard 10 year old boy fantasy of "my friends and I take over the school and hold it" are provided with food, water, utilities, in short everything they need, all of which will be paid for with tax dollars.

doppelganglander 6/10/2020 9:16:25 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 15:

As much as I like the busting heads approach, I think starving them out may be a better idea in this instance. The reason things have gotten out of control in so many cities is that the police are under orders not to do their jobs for fear of more accusations of brutality. So while tear gas and bulldozers would normally be appropriate, it would just set off the next group of violent brats. 

I know nothing about police tactics, TBH, but if I were in charge, I would bring in the feds to set up a hard perimeter around the "Autonomous Zone." No one in, no one out, no supplies, no negotiation. When they finally start straggling out, arrest everyone on federal terrorism charges.

lucius septimius 6/10/2020 10:04:45 AM

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JCM 6/10/2020 10:36:08 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 13:

They know they can get away with in a deep blue city like Seattle.

The Clowncil and Mayor Durka Durka and sympathetic to the cause.

I'm thinking right now Mayor Durka Durka gets ousted, and the Bahgwan Shrill Sawant is appointed Mayor by the Clowncil.

JCM 6/10/2020 10:45:39 AM

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vxbush 6/10/2020 10:47:23 AM

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In #17 doppelganglander said: I know nothing about police tactics, TBH, but if I were in charge, I would bring in the feds to set up a hard perimeter around the "Autonomous Zone." No one in, no one out, no supplies, no negotiation. When they finally start straggling out, arrest everyone on federal terrorism charges.

I think the people who would be shocked and outraged at such an idea have never received true discipline or are of a mindset that they cannot imagine someone would need to have such strong measures to correct their behavior. My first thought when I saw this was, "No, you're going to be autonomous? Get the food yourself." And then wait a month, and then have the electrical company deliver the power bill for that entire region and give a 5-day warning until the power is turned off. And then do the same with each service over the next two months. If we need to have a 5-block version of Venezuela to train these people, I see no problem in trying it. 

JCM 6/10/2020 10:52:55 AM

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In #21 vxbush said: "No, you're going to be autonomous? Get the food yourself."

Get your own electricity.

Water. 

Sewer. Block the pipes so it backs up, they can pay for services to be restored.

Communications. (Jamming works.....)

Vital Goods and services.

Oh you want a truck load of food? Pay for the food, pay for the trucking service, pay Seattle, King Co. and WA for the use of the roads to get it to you. Since you are environmentalists... pay for the carbon footprint.

Get you own contracts for all services.

JCM 6/10/2020 12:07:37 PM

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Reply to JCM in 20:

Wait I thought you were "autonomous".

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 12:43:43 PM

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Guys, you keep saying "they" should be left on their own, etc.

You keep forgetting.

This isn't some commune that was set up out in the wild.  They took over several city blocks.  If there's even one person in that area who is not on board with this insanity (and I'm sure there is, there are normal people with families and normal concerns even in downtown Seattle), those people are now stranded, without recourse to the law.  They do not deserve to be left to the mercy of the crazies. 

One of the countries I work with, Colombia, tried out the idea of "let the communists control territory, hey, it may help calm things down". 

It did not end well.

It's our country, not theirs.  This area should be retaken, ASAP, and the nutters arrested.

 And yes, I know the awful Seattle city government can be counted on to do whatever is the worse course of action here; I'm talking about what should be done.

doppelganglander 6/10/2020 1:07:34 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 24:

Good points. The police should make an effort to rescue innocent people held hostage by Antifa.

JCM 6/10/2020 1:17:39 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 24:

Great point. I'm being partially facetious with the seige idea. But it would be fun to watch... from a distance.

Part of the problem is. How do you negotiate with them? What's the common ground to start on?

The other end of the spectrum is tank treads, heavy hand, bust up the little experiment in communism. That doesn't fly either, while it might be satisfying, it's not productive either.

PaladinPhil 6/10/2020 1:29:55 PM

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Reply to JCM in 26:

1.) You don't negotiate with terrorists

2.) tracks need greasing and communists work.

buzzsawmonkey 6/10/2020 1:45:49 PM

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lucius septimius 6/10/2020 2:00:56 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 28:

Dunno.  Just bugged her again. 

Meanwhile, Pantyfa is telling store owners in the CHAZ that they have to pay them $500 protection money.

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 2:11:56 PM

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doppelganglander 6/10/2020 2:19:31 PM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 29:

So Antifa is actually the Mafia? Bring on the RICO Act. Seriously, I suspect that's what DOJ is going to use to pull the plug on these little thugs. Meanwhile, if they don't pay, their businesses will be torched, and Seattle PD won't do a fucking thing.

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 2:20:51 PM

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In #29 lucius septimius said: CHAZ

= ?

JCM 6/10/2020 2:25:04 PM

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Central Hill Autonomous Zone.

lucius septimius 6/10/2020 2:41:45 PM

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Reply to JCM in 33:

And it's a fabulously gay name.

lucius septimius 6/10/2020 3:47:16 PM

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JCM 6/10/2020 3:57:39 PM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 35:

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 4:13:38 PM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 35:

So, you are “at war“ with the United States of America? Okey-doke.

/punching in GPS coordinates

Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 4:17:36 PM

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Occasional Reader 6/10/2020 4:36:56 PM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 35:

Next up: 1) among other activities, “Ras” will begin raping women who are in that area and without police protection; 2)  NPR will kind of forget to report about any of this.

lucius septimius 6/10/2020 4:56:30 PM

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In #39 Occasional Reader said: NPR will kind of forget to report about any of this.

No doubt there will be many breathless stories about how wonderful it is in CHAZ.