vxbush 8/7/2020 5:58:12 AM

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buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 6:04:37 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 1:

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." 
---attributed to George Orwell

People sleep uneasily in their beds at night only because incompetent public servants stand ready to cave to violent thugs.

vxbush 8/7/2020 6:15:33 AM

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On a different note: 

While not dreaming about this and thus not able to compete with OR's subconscious, I was thinking last night--do you remember back in the 90's when dewy-eyed liberals went to Israel to try and get Israel to stop attacking those peaceful Palestinians? Remember how the media saw those people as peaceful and gentle when they were siding with terrorists and thugs?

First, those people could be the parents of the violent protesters we see now. Second, the media was covering for those folks back then, so the present behavior of the media isn't as shocking in that light. Third, in light of those peace-loving guys from the 90's, where are such peace-loving people today? If they exist, they are ideologically (because then and now they were on the left end of the political spectrum) on the side of the aggressors, throwing bottles and proclaiming the police should be disbanded.

The uniting aspect is a suspension of the reality of the actions of the people these folks are supposedly defending. I know a good bit of the violence going on out west is because of anarchists, but the day protesters do not believe the police are justified in arresting any black men and assume animus, the same way the 90's "peacemakers" did not believe Israel was fighting a battle against those who would destroy them. 

There's a lot of ignorance of the facts that has been going on for decades,  and you can include the Soviet sympathizers of the 1910s through the 1980s and the Chinese sympathizers today. You could argue a lack of information in the past, the media's inability to present the truth, or a host of other reasons, but there is always this strong sense of what I would call the belief in "there can't be bad guys". There's a lot to plumb here, politically, spiritually, and historically. 

Comments appreciated.

vxbush 8/7/2020 6:16:03 AM

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In #2 buzzsawmonkey said: People sleep uneasily in their beds at night only because incompetent public servants stand ready to cave to violent thugs.

Yes, I saw you posted this last night as well. Orwell was a time traveler, I swear. 

vxbush 8/7/2020 6:18:21 AM

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In #3 vxbush said: There's a lot to plumb here, politically, spiritually, and historically.

I know we've touched on these issues for years, but the cycle of ignorance struck me last night, I guess. 

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 6:36:46 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 3:

So...you're suggesting that the parents of today's "protesters" are the Rachel Corries who didn't get themselves bulldozed?  Some truth in that, I suspect.

I've been mentioning over on PJ Media and elsewhere---and, I think, here too---that Portland, which appears to be one of the biggest if not the biggest of the nation's current suppurating riot sores, is one of the places that laid the national groundwork for this eruption, by creating and promulgating the "Portland Baseline Essays" which it still features on the Portland public-school website.

The Portland Baseline Essays were written in the mid-'80s, were subsequently distributed (quietly) to public schools across the nation, and widely adopted as curriculum teaching blueprints.  They were written at the height of the open advocacy for "Afrocentrism," and include a lot of the extravagant claims that were made at the time by the Afrocentrists. There are other essays dealing with "Indigenous American People" which I have not read, but given the tenor of the Afrocentric stuff I am sure it contains a similar level of lunacy.

I know about these because my father was then on the elementary-school board for the suburb I grew up in; he read these essays, was appalled, and spent much effort fighting against their use/adoption during his tenure on the board (with what ultimate success, I do not know).   The one about ancient Egyptian technology was the one that really set him off---as a scientist, he found it grotesque that there should be material teaching youngsters that the ancient Egyptians had mastered, inter alia, heavier-than-air flight, electroplating, and some form of psychic communication called "remote viewing" as a means of distance communication.

These essays, however, were widely distributed nationally, and adopted as teaching materials from the mid-'80s on. They may be part of the basis for the curriculum in your own public schools.  And they are the source of both the ignorance and the attitude of many of today's disruptors.

vxbush 8/7/2020 6:39:28 AM

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vxbush 8/7/2020 6:48:40 AM

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In #6 buzzsawmonkey said: So...you're suggesting that the parents of today's "protesters" are the Rachel Corries who didn't get themselves bulldozed?  Some truth in that, I suspect.

I think there is a definitely chance of that, yes. They are at least fellow believers in that cause. Remember how De Blasio's daughter was arrested in NYC? Rarely do fruit fall far from the tree. 

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 6:49:28 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 7:

Thanks!  I'll check it out and forward it to my friend.

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 7:08:56 AM

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I'm still trying to figure out why "Gone With the Wind" is suddenly "racist." What does the movie show?

It shows slavery. Well, slavery existed. But what the film really shows is that even the people who were good to "their people" suffered and were ruined by the war. The moral center of the film is "Mammy," played by Hattie McDaniel---i.e., the slave. Scarlett O'Hara is a selfish, clueless, howling bitch from start to finish---not a heroine. She's the one who uses slave labor---contracted prisoners, who are white---to make her fortune after the war. She's the one who disregards a warning against driving through Shantytown, and is attacked---by the whites---of Shantytown; she is saved by her old black slave-boss, "Big Sam," and the whites protect him, even as they burn out the whites of Shantytown.

Where is the "racism" in all this?

Occasional Reader 8/7/2020 7:13:11 AM

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In #6 buzzsawmonkey said: ancient Egyptians had mastered, inter alia, heavier-than-air flight, .

Of course they did.  How else did Mary, Joseph and Jesus undertake the "Flight into Egypt"? 

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 7:19:01 AM

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In #11 Occasional Reader said: Of course they did.  How else did Mary, Joseph and Jesus undertake the "Flight into Egypt"? 

I bet they had to watch CNN---the Caesar News Network---while waiting for their flight to board.

vxbush 8/7/2020 7:21:39 AM

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In #10 buzzsawmonkey said: Where is the "racism" in all this?

Apparently today's liberals cannot believe that anything good came from slavery, or that it wasn't the primary concern of their own party. They don't believe there were Jewish slaves in Egypt, I guess, or white indentured servants anywhere. 

vxbush 8/7/2020 7:22:12 AM

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In #12 buzzsawmonkey said: Caesar News Network

Don't give Caesar's Palace any ideas. 

lucius septimius 8/7/2020 7:34:32 AM

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In #13 vxbush said: They don't believe there were Jewish slaves in Egypt, I guess, or white indentured servants anywhere. 

I got in trouble with the Wokestapo for teaching the fact that 2/3 of the white settlers of British North America came in bondage.

vxbush 8/7/2020 7:35:10 AM

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In #15 lucius septimius said: I got in trouble with the Wokestapo for teaching the fact that 2/3 of the white settlers of British North America came in bondage.

Were they disputing the facts, or did they not want to upset Woke little ears?

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 7:37:08 AM

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In #13 vxbush said: white indentured servants

The "1619 Project" talks about that year being the year slavery was introduced to what later became the United States.

This is nonsense---slavery of white people existed in the Americas from the beginning of European colonization, and slavery of Indians, which the Indians themselves had practiced prior to European arrival, was also adopted by Europeans.  The year 1619 merely marks the date that slaves from Africa were added to the already-extant slavery system.

vxbush 8/7/2020 7:39:02 AM

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In #17 buzzsawmonkey said: The "1619 Project" talks about that year being the year slavery was introduced to what later became the United States. This is nonsense---slavery of white people existed in the Americas from the beginning of European colonization, and slavery of Indians, which the Indians themselves had practiced prior to European arrival, was also adopted by Europeans.  The year 1619 merely marks the date that slaves from Africa were added to the already-extant slavery system.

That would argue that the problem was that the founders of America were taking slaves away from their homelands--without considering that most generals who fought in history took slaves back from foreign lands back as spoils of war. 

JCM 8/7/2020 7:41:20 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 17:

Shush with you silly history facts.

You might hurt the woke's feelings.

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 7:45:43 AM

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Occasional Reader 8/7/2020 7:46:09 AM

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Portland mayor has blinding revelation (perhaps related to those green lasers). 

Occasional Reader 8/7/2020 7:47:12 AM

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In #12 buzzsawmonkey said: I bet they had to watch CNN---the Caesar News Network---while waiting for their flight to board.

Yes, and for longer than usual, because the Pontius Pilot was late arriving... 

Occasional Reader 8/7/2020 7:48:11 AM

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In #15 lucius septimius said: came in bondage

Obligatory

JCM 8/7/2020 7:48:54 AM

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Occasional Reader 8/7/2020 7:53:23 AM

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This reminds me; I just want to check the scorecard here in terms of Correct Usage regarding reference to race:

"Black" = OK
"White" = OK
"Brown" = OK
"Red" = Totes racist!
"Yellow" = Totes racist! (I think?)

vxbush 8/7/2020 8:15:21 AM

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In #24 JCM said: The change in Joe Biden over the past few years is absolutely stunning.

That is excellent video work.

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 8:22:14 AM

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Nathan Bedford Forrest was an able general for the Confederacy, and, after the war, the founder of the Klan, was he not?  

Does that mean people not recognizing his good points because of his later Klan connection can't see the Forrest for the treason?

JCM 8/7/2020 8:27:52 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 27:

NBF's tactics are the foundation of our modern armored battle tactics.

The armored assaults in Gulf War I were straight out of NBF's book.

Do we eschew tactics that work because of their developmental history? 

Occasional Reader 8/7/2020 8:33:52 AM

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In #28 JCM said: Do we eschew tactics that work

Well, I'm sure this crowd is all about "defund the military!" anyway, so it's a moot point for them.

vxbush 8/7/2020 8:34:28 AM

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In #28 JCM said: NBF's tactics are the foundation of our modern armored battle tactics. The armored assaults in Gulf War I were straight out of NBF's book. Do we eschew tactics that work because of their developmental history? 

So our success in military situations is a direct result of our Civil War? Huh. I learn something new every day. (Of course, my husband probably knows this, being the war buff he is.)

lucius septimius 8/7/2020 9:51:51 AM

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Occasional Reader 8/7/2020 10:35:05 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 31:

“TRUMP/PENCE 2020” would be fun, too.

PaladinPhil 8/7/2020 10:35:39 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 30:

I think the ACW was where modern logistics got it's start. Getting enough beans bullets and bandages to the front lines as fast as possible would have been key. Efficiencies were created and improved on since then.

lucius septimius 8/7/2020 10:40:47 AM

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Just got off the phone with a friend from California who is in the entertainment biz and (surprise!) a hard core liberal.  She is convinced that in Georgia people are dying on the streets!  The virus is OUT OF CONTROL!!!!!

189K confirmed cases, just over 3900 deaths so 2%.

And Drumpfhitler is going to start a war just before the election. She's absolutely convinced.

How do people live like that?

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 10:59:58 AM

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In #34 lucius septimius said: How do people live like that?

Glued to the CNN screen?

lucius septimius 8/7/2020 11:01:27 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 32:

One of my neighbors, whose house is flanked by BLM signs, has a big Trump 2020 banner on the front of his house.

doppelganglander 8/7/2020 11:01:54 AM

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JCM 8/7/2020 11:22:06 AM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 37:

Set to record! In case I miss it.

vxbush 8/7/2020 12:14:32 PM

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Occasional Reader 8/7/2020 1:04:18 PM

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In #37 doppelganglander said: I posted this a couple of nights ago, but I want to repeat it for those of you who are only on during the day. An episode from my illustrious game show career will air today/tonight, depending on where you live. I won't be hurt if you can't or don't want to watch it, but I want you to have the option of making fun of my hair, glasses, and outfit from 2002.

Dopps, can you post (in the Frontier, probably best) what season and episode number it is? 

doppelganglander 8/7/2020 1:18:03 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 40:

Sure.

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 1:22:40 PM

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Reply to vxbush in 39:

Thanks!  Forwarded that too. 

My friend is more than convinced, but I'm hoping some of the stuff you've helped provide will convince his doctor; apparently, there's a lot of lockdown on HCQ in many jurisdictions because we must prove Trump wrong at all costs, or something.

doppelganglander 8/7/2020 1:33:10 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 40:

It's posted now.

lucius septimius 8/7/2020 2:56:55 PM

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lucius septimius 8/7/2020 2:58:19 PM

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In #40 Occasional Reader said: I want you to have the option of making fun of my hair, glasses, and outfit

buzzsawmonkey 8/7/2020 3:38:12 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 37: Reply to Occasional Reader in 40: Reply to lucius septimius in 45:

Where Did You Get That Hat?

doppelganglander 8/7/2020 4:19:59 PM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 45:

Twin sweater sets and pearls are classic!

Kosh's Shadow 8/7/2020 4:25:37 PM

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In #13 vxbush said: hey don't believe there were Jewish slaves in Egypt, I guess, or white indentured servants anywhere. 

They think the Jews deserved it. Wait, today's Jews are impostors; the real Jews were black. Or something.