lucius septimius 9/13/2020 6:40:23 AM

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buzzsawmonkey 9/13/2020 7:25:23 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 1:

Executive summary:  Brats who have gone through life greedy and indulged, or greedy and envious of those who are indulged, want more---and have carried their brattiness into their adult bodies.  They want more, they want it from someone else, and are too ignorant (and greedy) to comprehend why that won't work.

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 8:29:48 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 1:

He forgot about Venezuela as an example of socialism.

Otherwise good, although a bit simplistic

Intellectuals like Marxism because Marx makes economics simple — the rich get their money from the poor. (How the rich manage this, since the poor by definition don’t have any money, is beyond me. But never mind.)

Well, in the Middle Ages, land was wealth, which was given by the King to the nobles, but it took labor of the poor to make that potential wealth into reality. But that system was not capitalism.

Henry Ford (as big a Jew-hating a-hole as he was, and he also controlled the lives of his employees), realized that if people were paid more (enough to buy his cars), he'd get richer, and the workers would be happier, too.

Today, though, we have the Walmart model- sell stuff cheap because it is made with cheap labor, so people will be happier with lower relative income.

Trump, however, has capitalized on the way that model didn't work.

lucius septimius 9/13/2020 8:53:01 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 2:

Pretty much.

lucius septimius 9/13/2020 8:54:04 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 3: 

Well, it is meant to be humorous rather than a serious analysis.  Nevertheless, he's right that they're a bunch of sniveling brats who have no comprehension of simple realities and have been taught by intellectually lazy scoundrels. 

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 8:56:36 AM

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In #2 buzzsawmonkey said: Executive summary:  Brats who have gone through life greedy and indulged, or greedy and envious of those who are indulged, want more---and have carried their brattiness into their adult bodies.  They want more, they want it from someone else, and are too ignorant (and greedy) to comprehend why that won't work.

Good summary. Note the rich kids arrested for trashing part of NYC. I hope those whose places were attacked sue the bastards for damages, lost income while the stores are closed, pay for employees while the stores are closed, etc.

doppelganglander 9/13/2020 8:58:37 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 1:

Nailed it. I'm delighted to see O'Rourke has a new book out.

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 9:01:13 AM

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In #5 lucius septimius said: he's right that they're a bunch of sniveling brats who have no comprehension of simple realities and have been taught by intellectually lazy scoundrels. 

Most certainly. Their teachers didn't exactly work for a living either. (How much did the fake Indian get for "teaching" one course at Hahvahd? (I wonder how much they're paying that serial liar and terror supporter Saeb Erekat to "mentor" students there? As if students need much mentoring to hate Jews. (article)

buzzsawmonkey 9/13/2020 9:27:32 AM

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In #3 Kosh's Shadow said: Henry Ford (as big a Jew-hating a-hole as he was, and he also controlled the lives of his employees), realized that if people were paid more (enough to buy his cars), he'd get richer, and the workers would be happier, too.

Ford knew that if he paid his workers more, they'd be able to buy the cars he made, and he'd make it all (and more) back from them.

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 10:15:59 AM

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In #9 buzzsawmonkey said: Ford knew that if he paid his workers more, they'd be able to buy the cars he made, and he'd make it all (and more) back from them.

Exactly my point.

He also bought a newspaper just to reprint the Protocols. I wonder if his legacy is why Dearborn has so many Jew-hating Muslims.

PaladinPhil 9/13/2020 10:58:19 AM

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Afternoon. Just relaxing a bit before I have to go pick up the Squire from his mother. Spent the day reloading ammunition to build up my stock a bit. need more primers, bullets and powder again... Have lots of casings though. :)

lucius septimius 9/13/2020 11:17:33 AM

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Number 2 son got a much needed haircut.  I didn't mind him wearing it long (for a while he sort of looked like Pete Townsend) but when it got to Peter Frampton long it was time.

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 12:04:39 PM

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Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 12:07:34 PM

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In #9 buzzsawmonkey said: Ford knew that if he paid his workers more, they'd be able to buy the cars he made, and he'd make it all (and more) back from them.

Ekshually, that’s a myth.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/#769b8091766d

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 12:17:52 PM

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Remembering 9/11 in a Woke Year (Daniel Greenfield)

History is made up not only of dry facts, but emotional connections. The stories that define us are the ones that matter because they endow life with meaning. For millions of Americans, the death of an ex-con who had robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint gave their lives meaning. That’s why so much of the country is burning and so many of its memorials have fallen.

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The leftist radicals who have been in league with Islamic terrorists, defending them in court, propagandizing for their “civil rights” in the press and funding their networks, now call themselves “woke.” Another Sept. 11 anniversary reminds us that we need to wake up.

In our streets, the radicals chant “Death to America,” they burn flags, desecrate churches and synagogues and topple the statues of the nation’s founders. And their media allies and Democrat apparatchiks tell us to go along with it and we’ll be okay. The rioters and stabbers just want to issue their demands and make their point. If we stay quiet, they’ll leave us alone.

The 19th anniversary is another warning from the bloody echoes of history that they won’t.

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When the jihadis and BLMers chant “Death to America,” believe that they mean it.

The enemies of our nation are also the foes of our history. They don’t just want to topple Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and every historical figure who wasn’t up to date with contemporary woke views on, in the words of a D.C. commission calling for the removal of the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial, “age, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity.” No, they want to be rid of the courage and heroism of our entire history because they know that the power of Americans to resist their brutality and hate comes from our history.

RTWT

revobob 9/13/2020 12:45:24 PM

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Reply to PaladinPhil in 11: Did you find out what was wrong with the .45?

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 2:08:03 PM

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Reply to revobob in 16:

Some movie in the vein of Dirty Harry needs a theme song, a parody of Sammy Hagar "I Can't Drive 55" -

I only shoot 45

buzzsawmonkey 9/13/2020 2:10:19 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 14:

It's entirely possible that Ford increased his workers' wages largely to bring down turnover.  That does not alter the fact that if a worker who might make $2.25 or so a day elsewhere was making $5.00 a day at Ford, he was far more likely to be able to consider purchasing a Model T (approx. $300 new; sometimes as little as $25 or $50 used).  

The article compares an autoworker possibly being able to afford the cheapest car on the market with a Boeing worker being able to afford a jet airliner.  It is a false comparison.

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 2:15:22 PM

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In #18 buzzsawmonkey said: The article compares an autoworker possibly being able to afford the cheapest car on the market with a Boeing worker being able to afford a jet airliner.  It is a false comparison.

Better comparison would be whether a Boeing worker could afford to fly (frequently) on a Boeing airliner. That is the case. And even the CEO of Boeing is not likely to afford a Boeing airliner on just his salary.

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 2:26:21 PM

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In #19 Kosh's Shadow said: And even the CEO of Boeing is not likely to afford a Boeing airliner on just his salary.

Never mind the training to fly it, and the maintenance costs.

(It takes many years to reach a full pilot's license for a multi-engine jet, and more experience to be allowe)

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 2:28:58 PM

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In #20 Kosh's Shadow said:

Allowed to carry passengers.  Post got cut off; probably hit the trackpad

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 2:37:18 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 18:

But no rational manufacturer sets worker wages based on the idea of the worker buying the manufacturer’s own products. That makes no economic sense. What the manufacturer cares about is unit labor cost, including attracting and retaining skilled workers. That’s what motivated Henry Ford.

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 2:53:13 PM

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buzzsawmonkey 9/13/2020 2:58:27 PM

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In #22 Occasional Reader said: But no rational manufacturer sets worker wages based on the idea of the worker buying the manufacturer’s own products. That makes no economic sense. What the manufacturer cares about is unit labor cost, including attracting and retaining skilled workers. That’s what motivated Henry Ford.

Yes and no.  You're forgetting that Ford set his wages in the days when company towns and company stores and the like were still a reality. The strikers in Pullman---the company town of the Pullman railroad-car company---objected to the fact that their allegedly-high wages were taken back from them by the rents they paid to the Pullman company and the prices they paid at the Pullman company stores, all of which were prices that were not in any way alleviated by the company when they forced layoffs on the workers.   The well-known song "Sixteen Tons" by Tennessee Ernie Ford refers to "owing his soul to the company store" because the company paid coal miners with one hand and took that money back from them with the company-store prices with the other.

I don't doubt that Ford offered "higher" wages to improve the retention of his factory workforce.  But to discount entirely the notion that he expected to get some of his money back through his workers being able to afford buying his product is, I think, a mistake.

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 3:06:34 PM

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This is NPR.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/400367/#respond

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 3:11:33 PM

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In #24 buzzsawmonkey said: But to discount entirely the notion that he expected to get some of his money back through his workers being able to afford buying his product is, I think, a mistake.

That is a Horry economic myth that simply will not die. No, I’m sorry, the concept makes no sense. Look at the number cited in that very article, sales to his own employees, even every single worker bought a car, would be minuscule compared to his total sales. I cannot make money solely or principally by paying you to build something that you’re going to buy from me with the same money I am paying you.  That model does not work.

Kosh's Shadow 9/13/2020 3:23:36 PM

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In #25 Occasional Reader said: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/400367/#respond

She'll be a hero, and be interviewed by her colleagues over and over again.

Why is the US funding NPR? I have no problem with them running on donations, but free speech doesn't mean the government can take money from me and give it to others to say things I don't agree with and who oppose the government.

Content-free tax exempt guidelines are fine. 

I note JStreet, under Obama,  pushed that tax exemptions should only go to organizations that agreed with policy. I would hope they would put their money where their mouths are, and not be tax-deductible now that they do not agree with US policy. Maybe they at least learned WHY tax deductions cannot be based on the opinions presented.

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 3:29:54 PM

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In #26 Occasional Reader said: a Horry economic myth

So you can probably tell I’m using voice transcription while in the middle of cooking dinner

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 3:34:30 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 27:

The vermin who were attempting to actually storm a hospital to prevent wounded cops from being treated should have been shot down on the spot. Enough is enough.

buzzsawmonkey 9/13/2020 3:35:25 PM

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In #26 Occasional Reader said: That is a Horry economic myth that simply will not die. No, I’m sorry, the concept makes no sense. Look at the number cited in that very article, sales to his own employees, even every single worker bought a car, would be minuscule compared to his total sales. I cannot make money solely or principally by paying you to build something that you’re going to buy from me with the same money I am paying you.  That model does not work.

That's "hoary."  

But, while I agree with you that it does not make sense to think that a manufacturer can gain prosperity by paying his workers to buy his product, that still does not address either the fact that being able to brag your workers can afford what was then---even at the low end---a luxury product is good advertising, nor does it address that there were, 100-120-odd years ago, many companies that did indeed get their workers' wages back from the workers via company housing/company towns.

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 3:39:43 PM

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In #30 buzzsawmonkey said: That's "hoary."

  No kidding!

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 3:47:15 PM

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In #30 buzzsawmonkey said: many companies that did indeed get their workers' wages back from the workers via company housing/company towns

To the best of my knowledge Ford did not run factory towns like this. But let’s assume for the sake of argument that he did, that Ford was one of those companies.  The idea that those companies could make more money by doubling the workers wages is underpants gnome economics. Seriously. Feel free to do your own research about the “henry Ford paid his workers more so he could make more money when they bought his products“ idea. It’s nonsense. It’s the kind of thing that AOC and her type usually petal in support of doubling or tripling the minimum-wage. And yes, I’m going to let that voice to text transcription mistake just sit there, because I’m busy giving my little boy dinner, once again.

PaladinPhil 9/13/2020 4:51:19 PM

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Reply to revobob in 16:

Lower link was dodgy, replaced with a Wilson Combat #5 lower link. Put 140 rounds through it a week ago with no issues.

Occasional Reader 9/13/2020 5:32:39 PM

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In #33 PaladinPhil said: link was dodgy,

404 error?

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