buzzsawmonkey 10/16/2020 6:54:27 AM

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Morning Sedition today had---naturally---not a word about the Biden corruption allegations currently being suppressed by Twitter and Facebook, and certainly not a word about the tech giants' acts of suppression.  

They had plenty of harrumphing, however, over the bad form of observing that Hunter Biden has, or has had, a drug problem, and were deeply upset over how discussing Hunter's drug use pejoratively might "endanger" other drug addicts by discouraging them from seeking treatment.

vxbush 10/16/2020 6:56:37 AM

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In #1 buzzsawmonkey said: They had plenty of harrumphing, however, over the bad form of observing that Hunter Biden has, or has had, a drug problem, and were deeply upset over how discussing Hunter's drug use pejoratively might "endanger" other drug addicts by discouraging them from seeking treatment.

Oh, nice job ignoring the elephant in the room, NPR. 

vxbush 10/16/2020 7:10:57 AM

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More dirt is coming out about Hunter Biden, but Twitter is making sure to block all the tweets. Of course, they can't prevent the Internet Wayback Machine from getting to them first. 

Link 1

vxbush 10/16/2020 7:12:16 AM

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Link 2

How well can Twitter keep hiding this information? They've already proven they will ignore their CEO--or the CEO is playing games, saying one thing and doing another. 

buzzsawmonkey 10/16/2020 7:15:31 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 4:

I vote for the second.

vxbush 10/16/2020 7:16:01 AM

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In #5 buzzsawmonkey said: I vote for the second.

So do I. 

JCM 10/16/2020 8:26:04 AM

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JCM 10/16/2020 8:34:39 AM

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Gun sales find new market: Women, minorities, and liberals

Seeing a lot of violent acts, people in their cars, getting their windows shattered, I think they’re scared. That’s why they’re buying the guns," said Simmons.

JCM 10/16/2020 8:56:45 AM

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Reply to JCM in 7: Reply to JCM in 8:

KOMO TV is the site.... I wonder if any of the "journalist" in that newsroom see the connection between those two stories.

I willing to bet they are so ideological they see Trump as the cause.

Alice in Dairyland 10/16/2020 8:58:10 AM

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Reply to JCM in 8: I don't doubt people are becoming more scared, but I prefer to think they are becoming more brave.  They know to survive, they must be able to defend themselves against deadly threats.  No matter how much they want the world to be a fair and safe place to live in, it is not.  It never will be.  That is the nature of life; the strong survive, the weak don't.  I like how the article ends with oh no, more guns means more routine gun deaths.  Yeah, just because i own a gun, now I have to go out and kill someone with it.  God, these people are stupid.

turn 10/16/2020 9:00:08 AM

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Trump is done giving Newsome a blank check to cover the cost of fighting California wildfires:

TOPLINE

The Trump administration has rejected the California government’s request for federal disaster relief funds to help the state recover from its devastating wildfires this year, state officials said late Thursday, after President Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized the Democratic-led state for its handling of the fires.

turn 10/16/2020 9:03:57 AM

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Reply to turn in 11:

Buried down in the article:

The federal government had previously provided federal assistance to California this year, issuing a federal disaster declarationover the summer in response to two wildfires in the state.

Trump ( I think) is simply saying enough is enough, time to change California’s forest management practices.

turn 10/16/2020 9:07:09 AM

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Reply to turn in 11:

I suspect Newsome would have found a way to divert the money to expand his progressive agenda anyway... that a good deal would have been siphoned away for those programs and practically nothing spent toward reforming our forest management practices.

JCM 10/16/2020 9:17:58 AM

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Grim milestone!

8 million cases!

Oh, give me a fucking break. What you mean is 8 million positive tests

It's not a case if they are asymptomatic.

The common test is call PCR, Polymerase chain reaction. I did PCR in my genetics classes.

What PCR does is multiplies target genetic sequences so they can be manipulated. In COVID testing it multiplies the COVID fragments so it can be detected. They are using a 40 replication cycle test.

It is very likely many people have a low viral count of one or more types of corona viruses. A normal background load of viruses.

The problem is a 40 cycle PCR takes this minute amounts viral fragments and makes them detectable.

This is why it so important to distinguish asymptotic from symptomatic.

A 40 cycle PCR vastly increases the rate of false positives. Note, most PCR test use 25-30 cycles.

Not only are they reporting in such a way that positive test becomes a "case", with the implication the person is sick, but they are doing the test in a way to vastly increase the number of "positive" tests.

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.

vxbush 10/16/2020 9:23:02 AM

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In #12 turn said: Trump ( I think) is simply saying enough is enough, time to change California’s forest management practices.

Yes, but it probably will be interpreted as Trump hates Californians by the media. You know they will do that. 

Trump's most egregious sin is that he expects results and improvements. He simply won't let things go on. This is deemed unacceptable by the DC elite, who live on doing a mediocre-at-best job and get huge salaries. 

turn 10/16/2020 9:23:12 AM

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Reply to JCM in 14:

Precisely, they use a metric that best fits the use as a political weapon against Trump! It’s as if the virus was tailor made for just such a purpose.

And it worked! ~spit~

vxbush 10/16/2020 9:25:34 AM

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In #14 JCM said: It is very likely many people have a low viral count of one or more types of corona viruses. A normal background load of viruses. The problem is a 40 cycle PCR takes this minute amounts viral fragments and makes them detectable.

Just a question--the way you wrote this, it makes it seem like the test will count *any* coronavirus that gets replicated as a positive result. I thought the test was targeting to look for components specific to SARS-COV-2. Am I misunderstanding? 

turn 10/16/2020 9:28:39 AM

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In #15 vxbush said: Yes, but it probably will be interpreted as Trump hates Californians by the media. You know they will do that. 

Exactly, this is breaking news but we know what the response from the media will be. With each new fire that breaks out the media will work in blame towards Trump for not having given California a blank federal check to spend. He will be blamed for not PREVENTING forest fires now.

turn 10/16/2020 9:33:14 AM

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In #15 vxbush said: Trump's most egregious sin is that he expects results and improvements.

So true, Trump expects results from funding, not merely an expansion of the status quo.

JCM 10/16/2020 9:33:37 AM

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Reply to turn in 16:

Lysenkoism is back.

Lysenko's theories were created, manipulated and used to support Marxism / Leninism.

What we are seeing is "science" being manipulated to support a political point of view.

turn 10/16/2020 9:37:39 AM

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Reply to JCM in 20:

~snip~

Description

Trofim Denisovich Lysenko was a Soviet agronomist and biologist. Lysenko was a strong proponent of soft inheritance and rejected Mendelian genetics in favor of pseudoscientific ideas termed Lysenkoism.

Exactly, the “science” behind the response to the Covid is best described as pseudoscience!

JCM 10/16/2020 9:40:34 AM

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Reply to turn in 21:

Lysenko also prompted the idea that environment could cause changes in species.

Therefore to Lysenko, the perfection of Marxism / Leninism who create over a few generations a "perfect" man.

The "New Soviet Man" was evolutionary result of socialism.

turn 10/16/2020 9:42:02 AM

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In #20 JCM said: What we are seeing is "science" being manipulated to support a political point of view.

I hate to say it but, it worked. I don’t think we will ever return to normalcy, the lockdown destroyed everything and it’s too late for things to be undone. It would take a miracle, a Trump win in November to start with and then an effective vaccine plus a purge of the leftist “scientists” who created the whole scam. It seems impossible to me at this point.

JCM 10/16/2020 9:44:19 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 17:

My understanding is there is a strong possibility of false positives from other viruses in the corona family. This is an issue because about half the common cold viruses are in the corona family.

They are developing and have some tests that are more antigen specific for COVID-19.

The problem is which test is being used, what process is in use and what constitutes a positive test.

turn 10/16/2020 9:46:35 AM

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In #22 JCM said: The "New Soviet Man" was evolutionary result of socialism.

They killed millions in an attempt at “proving“ that theory. It’s just sickening to think that that might just be where the left is headed with their ideology, extinguishing conservatives altogether.

buzzsawmonkey 10/16/2020 9:49:06 AM

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In #21 turn said: Exactly, the “science” behind the response to the Covid is best described as pseudoscience!

Though there was much scientific progress made in the 19th century, that century was also rife with pseudoscience, much of which we are still living with today.  Some of the pseudoscientific drivel that was propounded in the 19th is:

Marxism, which claims to be "scientific";

"Antisemitism," which was a "scientific" invention of Jew-hate as being based on "racial characteristics"; 

Eugenics; 

Psychoanalysis;

The invention of "homosexuality" as a "status" or "condition" distinct from "heterosexuality," rather than a pattern of behavior;

Orgone boxes;

Mesmerism;

The notion of "ether," an intangible invisible substance, filling the universe.

JCM 10/16/2020 9:53:23 AM

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Reply to JCM in 24:

One of the things you get from this line of thinking is a "scientific" justification for the Gulags.

A person who does go along with the socialist agenda is deviant, degenerate, or defective.

It is "science" them to remove them from society as a "contamination" and put them in the Gulag.

Occasional Reader 10/16/2020 9:54:46 AM

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In #1 buzzsawmonkey said: They had plenty of harrumphing, however, over the bad form of observing that Hunter Biden has, or has had, a drug problem

A variation on "Republicans Pounce!". 

turn 10/16/2020 10:00:40 AM

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In #26 buzzsawmonkey said: The invention of "homosexuality" as a "status" or "condition" distinct from "heterosexuality," rather than a pattern of behavior;

Years ago you and I had a “debate”in which I (unsuccessfully) tried to take that position buzz. I don’t know if you remember that but you were successful in changing my viewpoint on this. ThNk you.

buzzsawmonkey 10/16/2020 10:32:33 AM

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Reply to turn in 29:

Regrettably, turn, I don't remember that particular conversation---but if you found it valuable, I'm glad.

vxbush 10/16/2020 11:55:14 AM

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In #24 JCM said: The problem is which test is being used, what process is in use and what constitutes a positive test.

I knew about the PCR test and the standard protocol to run 40 cycles when 25-30 is more reasonable. i had not seen that other coronaviruses can cause positive test results.

I also knew that having antibodies to some coronaviruses seems to generate immunity to SARS-COV-2, but very very few doctors talk about this.

JCM 10/16/2020 1:06:04 PM

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Reply to vxbush in 31:

And another thing…on false positives

JCM 10/16/2020 1:09:56 PM

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Reply to JCM in 32:

Given everything I seen around this virus I have zero confidence in the validation of these tests.

buzzsawmonkey 10/16/2020 1:29:32 PM

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In #33 JCM said: Given everything I seen around this virus I have zero confidence in the validation of these tests.

The stock market was jumping and jobs were riding high
Angry Democrats vowed that, "To wreck this we must try"
This was our nation
So they colluded with China to put us in a bind

My, my, my---the virus
Why, why, why---the virus?
We could see that it was a scam, obviously
But WHO said that we should heed the Chinese

We tried the lockdowns and the masks and the social distance
Experts constantly contradicting themselves with equal insistance
While the Left was laughing
It's past time that the "experts" should all be ignored.

My, my, my---the virus
Why, why, why, the virus?
So before the economy goes through the floor
To hell with the virus, I just don't care any more
The Left stood there laughing
It's past time that the "experts" should all be ignored.

My, my, my---the virus
Why, why, why, the virus?
So before the economy goes through the floor
To hell with the virus, I just don't care any more
To hell with the virus, I just don't care any more

vxbush 10/16/2020 1:35:08 PM

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In #33 JCM said: Given everything I seen around this virus I have zero confidence in the validation of these tests.

I agree. Heck, looking at my analysis of deaths a few days ago, it's clear we're done with this.

vxbush 10/16/2020 1:44:32 PM

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In #32 JCM said: There was another part to this which didn’t make the final cut. That’s around the nature of the test. Sometimes, a test might cross-react with other, related viruses. This can be both a design issue or a lack of pre-release testing.

Good article. I wish we had an American lab that would discuss these issues. Stacy Lennox over at PJMedia has been really good to talk about the PCR testing and how we're using way too many cycles to do the testing, as you said as well. But she doesn't delve into as many issues as I wish she would.

I know from my probability classes that just because a test correctly identifies positive and negative results 99% of the time doesn't mean that it correctly interprets new results 99% of the time. The conditional probabilities are actually a bit lower; if I remember correctly, it's closer to 69%.

But that uses math and stuff, and ew......

/rolls eyes

JCM 10/16/2020 1:49:32 PM

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Reply to vxbush in 36:

Maff is hard.....

When the math is hard.... wear a mask!

doppelganglander 10/16/2020 3:36:13 PM

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Reply to vxbush in 35:

Atlanta Public Schools announced they will not reopen until January. Parents need to storm the Board of Education and demand better for their children.

In positive news, I voted. In and out in less than 5 minutes. My county made a lot of improvements since the primary.