buzzsawmonkey 11/20/2020 6:32:37 AM

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If you want to find the Democrats, I know where they are
I know where they are
I know where they are
If you want to find the Democrats, I know where they are
They're dropping off a number of fake ballots
I saw them, I saw them
Dropping off a number of fake ballots (I saw them!)
Dropping off a number of fake ballots

If you want to find the media, I know where they are
I know where they are
I know where they are
If you want to find the media, I know where they are
They're lying to cover up the voter fraud
I saw them, I saw them
Lying to cover up the voter fraud (I saw them!)
Lying to cover up the voter fraud...

If you want to find the voter, I know where he is
I know where he is
I know where he is
If you want to find the voter, I know where he is
He's starving 'neath the new lockdowns
I saw him, I saw him
Starving 'neath the new lockdowns (I saw him!)
Starving 'neath the new lockdowns...

vxbush 11/20/2020 7:10:41 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 1:

++++

And in lockdown news, paper products are already starting to disappear from the shelves of stores. It's become quite a topic of discussion for work. 

buzzsawmonkey 11/20/2020 7:40:00 AM

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NPR's Morning Sedition had what seemed like an endless parade of yappers going on about how terrible it was that Trump was contesting the election. It seems that his doing so "damages our standing in the world" because it "calls our election process into question."

Gee, I don't know...maybe the Democrats should have thought of that before they embarked on their massive and blatant fraud operation.

JCM 11/20/2020 7:50:53 AM

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Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers

The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.

Occasional Reader 11/20/2020 7:57:03 AM

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buzzsawmonkey 11/20/2020 8:02:38 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 5:

Glad to hear you've become more flexible.

buzzsawmonkey 11/20/2020 8:04:35 AM

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I remember an election or two ago, JCM saying that running the paper ballot into the scanning machines they use here in NYC was fraud/tamper proof.

From some of what's been circulating around currently regarding the Dominion voting machines, it would seem that if that was ever true, it is certainly true no longer.   

I'd be curious to read JCM's comments on the topic.

Occasional Reader 11/20/2020 8:07:52 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 6: like I told the Russians, I would be more flexible after the election.

buzzsawmonkey 11/20/2020 8:09:55 AM

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JCM 11/20/2020 8:32:51 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 7:

Only with if the scanner is electro-optical-mechanical. You remember the scantron bubble forms from school?

The black in bubble changes the reflectivity, that trips an circuit and the pulse operates a solenoid that increments a mechanical counter.

An fraud there will be visible in the wiring and the results, any tampering would change all the votes in a particular race.

No fucking software.

The Dominion system uses the first part, the electro-optical scanner, but the counting is done in software.

buzzsawmonkey 11/20/2020 8:39:09 AM

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Reply to JCM in 10:

Thanks, JCM.  If I understand correctly, as long as the scanner is used to trip a mechanical counter, things are good---but if the scanner sends the result to software to be tabulated, all bets are off.  Have I got it more or less right?

vxbush 11/20/2020 8:50:30 AM

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In #4 JCM said: Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers Conclusion: The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.

And there was another study overseen by the Naval Medical Research Center that went through all the lockdown protocols and the infection rate for COVID-19 (while very low) was higher than it was in the control group. 

Occasional Reader 11/20/2020 8:52:34 AM

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In #10 JCM said: The black in bubble changes the reflectivity

I don’t know, that sounds kind of racist...

JCM 11/20/2020 8:59:58 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 13:

If we use a silver sharpie would that be okay?

vxbush 11/20/2020 9:01:26 AM

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In #14 JCM said: If we use a silver sharpie would that be okay?

I doubt it would work. Black sharpies don't. (Speaking from experience; I've worked with those OMR machines.)

JCM 11/20/2020 9:01:28 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 12:

I'm still waiting for a good bit of research on the detrimental effects of the lock down. Increased suicide, overdose, depression, domestic violence, the decrease in seeking health care.

Kosh's Shadow 11/20/2020 9:05:03 AM

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Thanksgiving visitors

And they're not wearing masks!

vxbush 11/20/2020 9:06:03 AM

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In #16 JCM said: I'm still waiting for a good bit of research on the detrimental effects of the lock down. Increased suicide, overdose, depression, domestic violence, the decrease in seeking health care.

I thought we had at least one such study out there, but I don't recall where. 

JCM 11/20/2020 9:09:58 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 11:

Once you have software in the loop there are innumerable ways to fudge the numbers. It would take experts doing a forensic code review to find the lines that actually do the deed.

JCM 11/20/2020 10:44:48 AM

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You can have 6 people for Thanksgiving and 30 people for a funeral.

We're having a funeral dinner for our dearly departed and beloved pet turkey.

Occasional Reader 11/20/2020 10:58:37 AM

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Reply to JCM in 20:

 Bah, i’ve got you beat. We are having a riot to protest the killing of our turkey of color. Therefore, attendance is unlimited.

JCM 11/20/2020 11:13:48 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 21:

LMAO!

vxbush 11/20/2020 11:14:01 AM

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In #21 Occasional Reader said:  Bah, i’ve got you beat. We are having a riot to protest the killing of our turkey of color. Therefore, attendance is unlimited.

Darn it, that is better. 

Kosh's Shadow 11/20/2020 2:18:58 PM

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Stolen from the internet:

turn 11/20/2020 3:59:57 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 24:

How ingenious, an endless loop of carbon free power! I wish I would of thought of that ... /

turn 11/20/2020 4:16:51 PM

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Reply to vxbush in 12:

Very interesting study. It doesn’t surprise me the results didn’t gain the attention of the media, or when they did they were deliberately misinterpreted to maintain the status quo of giving politicians more control of our individual liberty.

~snip~

The lockdowners keep telling us to pay attention to the science. That’s what we are doing. When the results contradict their pro-compulsion narrative, they pretend that the studies do not exist and barrel ahead with their scary plans to disable all social functioning in the presence of a virus. Lockdowns are not science. They never have been. They are an experiment in social/political top-down management that is without precedent in cost to life and liberty. 

turn 11/20/2020 4:29:50 PM

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In #16 JCM said: I'm still waiting for a good bit of research on the detrimental effects of the lock down. Increased suicide, overdose, depression, domestic violence, the decrease in seeking health care.

I’ve been looking for something conclusive as well but haven’t found anything more than antecedent mentions. I reason it will take more time before statistics are available but my gut feel is that these detrimental effects will come at a great cost to our society in the long run and that a “do nothing” approach would have been far less costly in hindsight.

turn 11/20/2020 4:44:49 PM

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In #18 vxbush said: I thought we had at least one such study out there, but I don't recall where. 

If you manage to find it please bring the link back here. I’m convinced America screwed up the response to Covid, it’s the “just how much” part I’m uncertain about at this point. The economy tanking was bad enough but the long term ramifications, these “detrimental effects” may be as bad, or worse. Even the promise of having developed vaccines at “warp speed” is in question when so few people will now chose to take them when they become available. Here is a recent poll on that FYI

turn 11/20/2020 5:03:15 PM

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Reply to turn in 28:

The vaccination issue is complicated:

COVID-19 is a very contagious disease. A large percentage of the population will need to be immune against the disease (through infection or vaccination) before herd immunity will be achieved. It is not known when that will happen, but it will depend on how many people develop immunity after COVID-19 infection, how soon a COVID-19 vaccine is available, how many vaccine doses will be available for distribution, and how many people get vaccinated.

LINK

turn 11/20/2020 5:07:58 PM

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In #29 turn said: The vaccination issue is complicated:

Further reading:

These patterns suggest demand for a Covid-19 vaccine will be highest among two groups. The first is health-care and other essential workers whose jobs put them at greater risk of infection. The second is elderly or other vulnerable people, among whom infection has proved most deadly. If these two groups were the only ones receiving a vaccine, the overall vaccination rate would be low but mortality would be reduced enormously.

Link