vxbush 3/23/2021 5:33:39 AM

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Morning, campers. I remember reading that book. I never saw the movie. 

vxbush 3/23/2021 5:34:58 AM

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PaladinPhil 3/23/2021 5:48:20 AM

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Morning. As to vaccines, I won't be able to get one until June. :/

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 6:16:40 AM

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vxbush 3/23/2021 6:23:55 AM

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Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 6:30:39 AM

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In #5 vxbush said: With my medical conditions, I have to have the shot at my doctor's office. My allergies are the problem. 

In Mass, no doctor's offices can get the vaccines. Some hospitals can, but it is hard to get those slots.

The experience here should turn everyone off to government-run medicine. They want to make sure the vaccinations are distributed "equtably", so they have hard to get to mass vaccination sites, instead of distributing to health care institutions. Neighborhood clinics would do a better job getting vaccines to disadvantaged people than these mass sites, and would be in a better position to follow up for the second dose.

Israel has done a great job because everyone is in a health plan, and the health plans handle the vaccinations. The government largely stayed out, other than obtaining the vaccines.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 7:31:19 AM

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Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 7:34:51 AM

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In #6 Kosh's Shadow said: They want to make sure the vaccinations are distributed "equtably"

Notice how much that word is cropping up lately. 

It's a classic Prog doubletalk word, because the meaning is enitrely slippery.  "Equitable is whatever we say it is."

lucius septimius 3/23/2021 7:52:45 AM

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In #7 Occasional Reader said: WHICH IS TOTALLY RACIST!!!!

You're white.  Impossible to be raaaaacist towards wi peepoo.

JCM 3/23/2021 7:57:35 AM

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Pedantic bio-chem terminology.

The covid shot is not a vaccine, it is gene therapy.

How many people would be so eager to get if they called it what it is? 

JCM 3/23/2021 8:01:39 AM

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New phishing scam in my email this morning.

Take COVID survey, Get a gift card worth $90!

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 8:02:31 AM

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In #10 JCM said: The covid shot is not a vaccine, it is gene therapy.

Except for the Johnson and Johnson one, right?

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 8:06:37 AM

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In #10 JCM said: The covid shot is not a vaccine, it is gene therapy. How many people would be so eager to get if they called it what it is? 

Except it doesn't change your DNA. In fact, it does not contain DNA, but messenger RNA, which is used by cells to encode proteins to be produced, and has a short life within cells. When a cell needs a protein, it creates messenger RNA by transcribing part of the DNA, and the RNA is then used by the cell (ribosomes, iirc) to produce proteins, and then it decays so that the proteins are produced only while needed.

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 8:12:20 AM

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Boulder "suspect" identified

Police identified the suspect as Ahmad Alissa, a 21-year-old Arvada, Colo. man, though his motive for the attack was not specified at this time.

No motive specified? Ahmad? Were words like "Allah ackbar" heard?

JCM 3/23/2021 8:17:01 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 13:

mRNA is also used to insert a genetic sequence into DNA. That depends on if the mRNA contains sequences for restriction enzymes.

I just have too many question about using mRNA for a "vaccine". This being the first mass produced one and the rushed testing cycle.

On top of that given that virtually everything we've been told about covid has been out right lies, or heavily edited so that the released info supports the narrative.

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 8:30:28 AM

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Reply to JCM in 15:

mRNA alone is insufficient for gene editing. RNA is used to find the spot for the CAS9 enzyme to edit, but actual editing requires additional enzymes and the DNA to insert.

lucius septimius 3/23/2021 8:33:45 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 14:

And the story ended right there.  Can't say anything bad about Asians.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 8:36:13 AM

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In #14 Kosh's Shadow said: No motive specified? Ahmad? Were words like "Allah ackbar" heard?

The Progs are already rabidly overboard (but what else is new) with this being a White Man With An Assault Weapon and Probably A Trump Supporter!!!!! 

The speed with which this story will be dropped if Ahmad turns out to be a jihadist will defy the laws of physics.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 8:36:54 AM

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In #15 JCM said: I just have too many question about using mRNA for a "vaccine". This being the first mass produced one and the rushed testing cycle.

Dude, don't harsh my mellow... 

JCM 3/23/2021 8:40:51 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 19:

Don't let me.

I'm just a conspiracy theorist.

I spent an entire year in college in a class / lab course, using enzymes, mRNA to move gene's around, then using PCR a new technology then to see what we'd done.

Somewhere there is a obscure genetics paper with everyone in that class as contributors.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 8:44:53 AM

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In #20 JCM said: Don't let me. I'm just a conspiracy theorist.

If there's anything weird about what's going into my arm this afternoon, I'm hoping that it gives me superpowers. 

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 8:45:54 AM

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In #20 JCM said: I spent an entire year in college in a class / lab course, using enzymes, mRNA to move gene's around, then using PCR a new technology then to see what we'd done.

Need the enzymes as you said to move the genes. Just mRNA will produce proteins in a cell, but by itself cannot edit the DNA.

If there were something bad about it, why would a small country like Israel be vaccinating everyone? 

I also note that papers about gene editing have largely Chinese researcher names. 

doppelganglander 3/23/2021 8:46:03 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 18:

He's supposedly 21, but with that paunch and receding hairline, he looks 40 if he's a day. I guess being a violent psychopath ages a person.

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 8:46:31 AM

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In #21 Occasional Reader said: If there's anything weird about what's going into my arm this afternoon, I'm hoping that it gives me superpowers. 

Superpowers to attract supermodels?

JCM 3/23/2021 8:51:26 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 22:

Need the enzymes as you said to move the genes. Just mRNA will produce proteins in a cell, but by itself cannot edit the DNA.

So they claim... They have no credibility with me at this point a year into covid.

lucius septimius 3/23/2021 8:53:32 AM

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In #23 doppelganglander said: He's supposedly 21,

He's Syrian.  As you recall refugees from Syria claimed to be children to get asylum when they were actually in their twenties.

doppelganglander 3/23/2021 8:56:14 AM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 23:

I've now seen his middle name is Al Alwisi and the last name written as Al-Issa, i.e. son of Issa (Jesus). So who knows, maybe a Coptic Christian or Lebanese? I'm sure the media has their top men on it. Top. Men.

doppelganglander 3/23/2021 8:58:55 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 26:

Good catch. Did you guess he's Syrian or is it published somewhere?

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 9:02:40 AM

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Reply to JCM in 25:

There might be some possibility of RNA doing the work of a protein based on experiments about how life could form, but it does not seem likely in current biochemistry. RNA and DNA are instructions; proteins do the work. DNA, RNA = software. Need hardware (proteins, which includes enzymes) to do the work.

As for COVID, there is certainly something we are not being told. I think Trump's remark about not giving info because people would panic alludes to it. The most likely scenario for COVID is that it was work in progress on a bioweapon that got out before they were ready to release it.

Note many people have lingering symptoms.

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 9:03:55 AM

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In #27 doppelganglander said: So who knows, maybe a Coptic Christian or Lebanese?

All Syrians are taught starting in kindergarten to hate the West, and especially Jews.

lucius septimius 3/23/2021 9:05:38 AM

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In #28 doppelganglander said: Did you guess he's Syrian or is it published somewhere?

It was published. 

lucius septimius 3/23/2021 9:09:49 AM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 27:

According to his facebook page, he's Muslim.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 9:10:28 AM

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In #25 JCM said: So they claim... They have no credibility with me at this point a year into covid.

So are you taking a pass on the Covid jab entirely?  Or opting for J&J? 

lucius septimius 3/23/2021 9:14:46 AM

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doppelganglander 3/23/2021 9:22:49 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 34:

Now awaiting the avalanche of opinion pieces comparing him to Jethro the spa killer and how this is different and still white people's fault.

buzzsawmonkey 3/23/2021 9:25:13 AM

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Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 9:30:25 AM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 35:

As that piece LS links to notes, the messaging is already pivoting to "he was mentally ill and therefore we need more gun control". 

Syrah 3/23/2021 9:41:23 AM

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I intend to hold off on getting the vaccine until they have to strap me down and inject it into without my consent. From the talk I hear, that may not be as far off in the future as I would like.

or when I am 70, which is more than a decade away. 

1. I distrust panic sales.

2. I understand herd immunity.

3. I think I have already been exposed and may have already had the virus.

4. I am a cantankerous old cuss.

5. I do not work in an environment where I am in constant close contact with other people.

6. Refer back to item number 4.

vxbush 3/23/2021 9:44:27 AM

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In #38 Syrah said: 1. I distrust panic sales. 2. I understand herd immunity. 3. I think I have already been exposed and may have already had the virus. 4. I am a cantankerous old cuss. 5. I do not work in an environment where I am in constant close contact with other people. 6. Refer back to item number 4.

You're reading my mind. Just add: 

7: I understand statistics. 

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 9:55:01 AM

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Syrah 3/23/2021 9:56:14 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 34:

Why shouldn’t we blame PBS, The Intercept and the Washington Post?

They pump out a lot of hate and anger.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 10:05:11 AM

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In #39 vxbush said: 7: I understand statistics. 

Well, meaning what, exactly?

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 10:05:15 AM

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In #32 lucius septimius said: According to his facebook page, he's Muslim.

I'm shocked

Alice in Dairyland 3/23/2021 10:07:34 AM

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Reply to Syrah in 38:  I think we may have been separated at birth.  I'm in no rush to do this either.  Not enough "facts" known about this yet.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 10:16:52 AM

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In #44 Alice in Dairyland said: I'm in no rush to do this either.

I was not eager to be first in line, but at this point, I want to start traveling again, including visiting my 80-plus-year-old parents, and will feel better about doing that with the jabs done. 

doppelganglander 3/23/2021 10:19:53 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 37:
That's going to turn into running a mental health history on anyone buying a gun. We all agree crazy people shouldn't have guns, but who defines crazy? I've already heard of people having their guns confiscated due to false allegations in child custody cases, for example. A quarter of the population takes or has taken antidepressants. Does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to have guns? We are not that far from Soviet-style mental hospitals for dissidents. Right now, they are only doing it on an outpatient basis.

Syrah 3/23/2021 10:20:08 AM

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Reply to Alice in Dairyland in 44:

i have questions, and I am willing to concede that mRNA science is a little beyond my knowledge comfort zone.

what sends up the warning flags is the panic and intensity of the push to get people to vaccinate over a virus with a narrow risk group.

with herd immunity, and making the vaccine available to the vulnerable population, there is no reason that I see that would necessitate low risk people being compelled or intimidated into getting the shot. It is too much for too little, which makes me suspicious, or inclined to want to ask if there are “reason” that have very little to do with health behind the vaccine push.

As a question of trade offs, if I thought I was in the high risk group, I would set aside my natural cantankery and get the shot. I am not in the high risk group and I don’t like that it looks like “they” want me to get the shot too much.

Alice in Dairyland 3/23/2021 10:24:28 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 45:  Have your parents been vaccinated yet?  I wouldn't be as hesitant if I were over 80 years old.  Not enough years left in my life span for any possible repercussions.  I certainly don't second guess anyone else's choices though.  Everyone has the right to do what they think is best for them.  I won't be offended if you or anyone else chooses to keep your distance from me.

Alice in Dairyland 3/23/2021 10:27:07 AM

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Reply to Syrah in 47:  Exactly!

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 10:27:41 AM

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So my Boulder-area-dwellling knee-jerk Dem friend texted me last night to say, "Things are getting back to normal - white guys are committing mass shootings.  Second in less than a week.  Yay America." 

I'm tempted now to innocently text back, "so, any update on that shooting?  Shooter id'd, possible motives, etc.?". 

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 10:29:38 AM

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In #46 doppelganglander said: I've already heard of people having their guns confiscated due to false allegations in child custody cases, for example

A friend of mine has had his guns confiscated, twice now, due to his bitter ex-wife making an unsubtantiated claim.  (This is in MA.)

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 10:31:47 AM

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In #48 Alice in Dairyland said: Have your parents been vaccinated yet? 

Yes.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 10:34:26 AM

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Reply to Syrah in 47:

Among other factors, I take into account that Trump got vaccinated, even after having had and recovered from the ChiCom Bug.  And he's nobody's fool, no matter what the Left say otherwise.  

Likewise, my doctor has gotten vaccinated.

On balance I'm comfortable with getting the jab.  

JCM 3/23/2021 10:39:09 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 33:

Pass.

Another question; Why an mRNA injection now? I this case. Why not the conventional method of a killed, or disable virus with the spike protein intact to trigger the immune system?

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 10:43:36 AM

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In #54 JCM said: Another question; Why an mRNA injection now? I this case. Why not the conventional method of a killed, or disable virus with the spike protein intact to trigger the immune system?

FWIW: Allegedly, faster development. 

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 10:54:22 AM

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In #54 JCM said: Why not the conventional method of a killed, or disable virus with the spike protein intact to trigger the immune system?

Takes years to develop those usually. Some companies had mRNA work ready to adapt to COVID.

There are a couple of vaccines - J&J and one in Israel - developed using some form of genetically engineering viruses to show the ACE2 receptor that don't use mRNA, but no traditional ones.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 11:09:16 AM

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In #56 Kosh's Shadow said: Takes years to develop those usually.

So, perhaps "forgive my ignorance" here, but then how do they (you know, Them!, the giant ants) manage to do it every year for the current seasonal flu variation? 

Alice in Dairyland 3/23/2021 11:13:10 AM

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In #47 Syrah said: what sends up the warning flags is the panic and intensity of the push to get people to vaccinate

Another thing that bothers me is there is no concern about the border surge.  Why is no one concerned about these people that are coming in?  Supposedly, 25% are covid positive, but they are being allowed in with a promise they will isolate themselves.  Yeah, I believe that!  Why am I more of a threat than they are?

Alice in Dairyland 3/23/2021 11:23:32 AM

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Reply to Alice in Dairyland in 58:  And another thing...what if this dies out naturally or with herd immunity?  The current administration claims they CURED COVID through the vaccination program!!!  Now we'd better listen to them about everything else, we know what's best for us.

Alice in Dairyland 3/23/2021 11:24:29 AM

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In #59 Alice in Dairyland said: we know  Should be "they know".

buzzsawmonkey 3/23/2021 11:24:50 AM

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Not to change the subject, but people need to overcome their antipathy towards NPR and Morning Sedition to listen to this segment regarding the "Equality Act" and similar state initiatives.

I have said for some time that the objective of the gay-rights movement is to destroy the First Amendment without repealing it, and have, only half-jokingly, referred to "transgenderism" as the Trojan Estrogen Horse by which the Left hopes to accomplish this.  The slightly-over-three-minutes linked to above will make that extremely clear.

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 11:27:32 AM

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In #57 Occasional Reader said: So, perhaps "forgive my ignorance" here, but then how do they (you know, Them!, the giant ants) manage to do it every year for the current seasonal flu variation? 

They have a basic one for flu, but just have to customize it each hear, by trying to figure out which H and N variant will be in the seasonal flu. Only changing 2 proteins in an existing deactivated virus. They know how to deactivate it, and how to produce it.

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 11:33:22 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 62:

Each year

JCM 3/23/2021 11:37:20 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 42:

Answer for myself.covid is no different than any other annual flu bug, with a slightly higher death rate among elderly with co-morbid conditions. And a lesser impact in the 24 and under age group. And no statistical difference in between.

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 11:39:06 AM

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In #62 Kosh's Shadow said: They have a basic one for flu, but just have to customize it each year, by trying to figure out which H and N variant will be in the seasonal flu. Only changing 2 proteins in an existing deactivated virus. They know how to deactivate it, and how to produce it.

Basically, the yearly flu vaccine is like a customized car with components that have already been developed, instead of designing one from scratch.

vxbush 3/23/2021 11:44:12 AM

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In #42 Occasional Reader said: Well, meaning what, exactly?

Meaning I've been watching the stats on this virus for over a year, and I'm honestly not seeing a necessity to use the vaccine. We are near to or at herd immunity. 

JCM 3/23/2021 12:21:00 PM

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Reply to vxbush in 66:

If you use the pre-covid methodology of counting "cases" the pandemic ended last August.... IIRC some of the stuff out of Stanford back then.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 12:25:32 PM

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In #62 Kosh's Shadow said: They have a basic one for flu, but just have to customize it each hear, by trying to figure out which H and N variant will be in the seasonal flu. Only changing 2 proteins in an existing deactivated virus. They know how to deactivate it, and how to produce it.

So basically what I'm hearing you say is "blahblahblah SHUT UP AND TAKE YOUR DNA-ALTERING FRANKEN-JAB, GOY, SO YOU CAN BE SUBSUMED INTO THE JOO WORLD ORDER."

/////

Thanks for the info.  Makes sense. 

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 12:28:55 PM

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In #64 JCM said: covid is no different than any other annual flu bug, with a slightly higher death rate among elderly with co-morbid conditions

Gotta say, I think that's overstating the case a bit.  Covid-19 is significanlty deadlier than seasonal flu.

doppelganglander 3/23/2021 12:33:54 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 51:

Ridiculous. Can she be held in contempt or something for blatantly lying and wasting the court's time? 

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 12:34:36 PM

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And meanwhile... Germany to impose harsh lockdown April 1 - 5, with even FOOD STORES only "allowed" to be open for one day during that period.

What could possibly go wrong? 

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 12:35:48 PM

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In #68 Occasional Reader said: So basically what I'm hearing you say is "blahblahblah SHUT UP AND TAKE YOUR DNA-ALTERING FRANKEN-JAB, GOY, SO YOU CAN BE SUBSUMED INTO THE JOO WORLD ORDER."

I thought you already were/////////

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 12:35:48 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 70:

My friend is contemplating initiating a libel suit. 

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 12:36:58 PM

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In #72 Kosh's Shadow said: I thought you already were

Well then, where the hell are my monthly checks?!!!

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 12:52:41 PM

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In #74 Occasional Reader said: Well then, where the hell are my monthly checks?!!!

Same place as mine - we're unpaid

JCM 3/23/2021 1:06:14 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 69:

The problem is the data.

It is deadlier if you use the inflated numbers.

Remember they counting everyone dying with a positive covid test as a covid death.

I WA state they go busted buy a real reporter doing journalism, if a person test positive in the 120 days prior to their death, they counted it as covid.

Add in the 40% false positive of the PCR.

Add in that they rolled regular flu into covid with covid like illness.

The numbers are seriously over inflated.

Makes the global warming data and Biden votes look like chumps.

JCM 3/23/2021 1:14:07 PM

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AP story on the CO shootings.

This stuck out ....

SWAT officers carrying ballistic shields slowly approached the King Soopers store...

48 hour rule in effect on it, but...

Columbine taught and subsequent mass shootings, especially Parkland taught us the the value of speed in going after an active shooter.

If they waited until SWAT could suit up, form up before going in .... well.

WTF was going on?

Kosh's Shadow 3/23/2021 1:26:13 PM

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Reminds me of a real video my wife needed to see of a prison riot. Showed SWAT team banging on a door to get in. I mean a big, hard to open prison door.

After a few minutes, someone shows up with the key. And, iirc, the door was harder to open due to the damage.

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 1:44:58 PM

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Bill Gates is the kindest, warmest, bravest human being I’ve ever known in my entire life.

/obligatory

Well, that was very quick, and quite painless. So far....

JCM 3/23/2021 1:51:14 PM

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OR?

OR?

OR are you there!

OMG! OR turned into one of THEM!

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 1:53:12 PM

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Reply to JCM in 80:

doppelganglander 3/23/2021 2:29:33 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 73:

That can get expensive and drag on for ages, but perhaps merely filing will get her to back off. I wish him well.

PaladinPhil 3/23/2021 2:44:32 PM

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Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 2:53:06 PM

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In #83 PaladinPhil said: and he took it like a trooper

I found with Little OR that his level of reaction to medical and dental stuff was like an on/off switch, almost.  One visit was miserable; the next one, suddenly, he was pretty much fine. 

I hope this mess can get behind you quickly. 

buzzsawmonkey 3/23/2021 2:58:21 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 81:

So you're now "Either/OR?"

JCM 3/23/2021 3:06:55 PM

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Oh Irony.....

Sinclair Broadcasting Headline.

Ya'll sure didn't care about context 4 months ago.

And the media wonders why used car salesmen are more trusted....

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 3:08:12 PM

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Reply to JCM in 87:

See, also...

lucius septimius 3/23/2021 3:27:17 PM

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JCM 3/23/2021 3:28:07 PM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 89:

What, he didn't get them right the first time?

;-P

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 3:39:53 PM

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In #89 lucius septimius said: Youngest boy is making twice-baked potatoes for dinner tonight.

That's fine, as long as he doesn't misgender them as "Mr. " or "Mrs." Potato 

Occasional Reader 3/23/2021 3:42:14 PM

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Q: What did the Mother Potato say to the Daughter Potato, when the Daugher Potato announced she was dating Jake Tapper?

A:  "Darling, you can't date him... he's such a common tater..."  

Alice in Dairyland 3/23/2021 4:11:36 PM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 89:    Lucius gets twice baked...

Reply to Occasional Reader in 92:      and we get half-baked!