buzzsawmonkey 5/23/2021 5:47:02 AM

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I think that Bob Fosse, as well as Stephen Sondheim, helped to kill American musical theater.  

Think of Fosse's hideous, gawky choreography for Liza Minelli in the film "Cabaret."

Fosse's song/choreography for the song "Who's Got the Pain When They Do the Mambo?" is one of the most revolting choreographic car-crashes I've ever seen.  The song is absolutely awful---and the dancing is simultaneously brilliantly executed and utterly unattractive to watch.  The entire song is a cinematic nightmare.  

Occasional Reader 5/23/2021 7:59:12 AM

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So apparently Michelle Obama is the masculine version of Jussie Smollett:

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/451586/#respond

Occasional Reader 5/23/2021 8:01:07 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 1:

i’ve never been much of a musical fan so I’ll defer to your expertise on the point.

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 8:30:33 AM

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Reply to last night's thread:

In #9 buzzsawmonkey said: Communism, of course, had a big run in America during the Great Awakening period in the early 19th century.   I forget the name of the commune that Bronson Alcott dragged his family to---this was well before Louisa May Alcott became a writer---but there were plenty of others.

Fruitlands, iirc. The place still exists, but is a museum, place for events, and has walking trails through the woods.

Also, before COVID, my commute would sometimes take me by the Alcott house in Concord, depending on traffic. I never saw any filming of the recent movie, however, as they could not have closed the road during commuting hours, and the traffic would be anachronistic, to say the least.

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 8:34:48 AM

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And Buzz, yes, I believe the Soviet Union supported the formation of Israel because of all the kibbutzim, thinking it would support the Communist bloc. Although the fact that at that time, the Arab states were largely supported by the West, due to oil (and the fact that the oil companies at that time were largely Western owned), so this was a way of opposing the West as well.

BTW, FDR had promised the Saudi king he would oppose the formation of a Jewish state in the mideast. Truman supported it against the advice of the State Department (no less anti-Israel in those days than today, except for Trump's Secretaries of State).

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 8:55:49 AM

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JCM 5/23/2021 9:00:36 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 6:

Fixed.... I hope.

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 9:24:58 AM

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Reply to JCM in 7:

Fixed

Occasional Reader 5/23/2021 9:42:27 AM

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And regarding this morning's breakfast pic thread, I have but one thing to say:

RIIIIICOLAAAAA

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 11:58:18 AM

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In #9 Occasional Reader said: RIIIIICOLAAAAA

Ric-Cola - the Swiss answer to Coke. It alps quench your thirst!

(OK, a cheesy joke; has more holes in it than...)

Alice in Dairyland 5/23/2021 12:05:18 PM

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In #10 Kosh's Shadow said: Ric-Cola - the Swiss answer to Coke.

Yeah, but how do they feel about non-white people?  That's what really matters.

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 12:11:37 PM

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In #11 Alice in Dairyland said: Yeah, but how do they feel about non-white people?  That's what really matters.

The Swiss? Watch what you say.

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 12:27:50 PM

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In #11 Alice in Dairyland said: Yeah, but how do they feel about non-white people?  That's what really matters.

But does it really Matterhorn?

Alice in Dairyland 5/23/2021 12:28:36 PM

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Alice in Dairyland 5/23/2021 12:41:31 PM

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Occasional Reader 5/23/2021 12:46:22 PM

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In #14 Alice in Dairyland said: My father-in-law was 100% Swiss,

I'd be kind of interested in winding up with the same arrangment... marry a nice Swiss woman, have the possibility of citizenship for myself and Little OR... considering that our own Republican seems imperiled.  The Swiss have a long tradition of, to put it bluntly, keeping their shit together, even when much of the rest of the world has gone crazy.  I admire that. 

buzzsawmonkey 5/23/2021 1:07:23 PM

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In #15 Alice in Dairyland said: My grandfather-in-law came here on the La Normandie in 1890, along with his parents (ages 71 & 52 years old) and four other brothers.  He was 17 years old.  I can't imagine the courage that journey must have taken.  I guess immigrants were certainly a better class of people than the border crosser we've got now.

My mother's father, who started work to support his family at the age of three, came here alone at the age of 20, not knowing the language, after his family in Russia had been wiped out by the twin plagues of Cholera & Cossacks.   He started as a sweatshop sewing machine operator, became a founding organizer of the Furriers' Union, tried to become an engineer, but was told by his college professors that because he was Jewish he'd never get a job in engineering---so he stuck with the fur trade, became a partner in a prosperous business until his partner burned the business down for the insurance in the depths of the Depression.

He lost everything, including his house---he never owned another---but within six years had again started up his own business from nothing and ended up a very substantial man.  I regard him as heroic.

Alice in Dairyland 5/23/2021 1:39:57 PM

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In #17 buzzsawmonkey said:  I regard him as heroic.

It's shameful what man has become today.  Very few people are neither strong nor brave any more.  I seriously don't believe we have it in us, as the human race, to build/maintain the quality of civilization our ancestors did. 

Alice in Dairyland 5/23/2021 1:50:30 PM

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In #16 Occasional Reader said: marry a nice Swiss woman

Went to a presentation a long time ago that featured a Swiss farming couple.  They were impressed by the size of the farms in America; Switzerland, being such a small country, had much smaller farms.  The man said though it wasn't the amount of land you owned that determined the size of your herd.  He said "a man should never have more cows than wife could milk".  He was joking, but I think it would be pretty easy finding a Swiss wife if that is what you have for competition.  How many cows do they allow in your building?  Of course, there are non-farming Swiss women, but I can't vouch their work ethic.

JCM 5/23/2021 2:42:45 PM

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Reply to Alice in Dairyland in 19:

Reminds of a joke.

A Texas rancher and Vermont Farmer meet at a conference.

The Vermonter as the rancher how big his place was. The Texan says, "I get in my pickup, drive all day and still be on my ranch!"

Vermonter responds, "Know what you mean, I had truck like that once."

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 2:43:22 PM

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In #19 Alice in Dairyland said: He said "a man should never have more cows than wife could milk".

I think the cows find that rather funny

buzzsawmonkey 5/23/2021 2:44:46 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 21:

Aaaaah, Bonbel's "Laughing Cow."  What a childhood memory.  And what fun we had molding things out of the yellow wax the cheese came in.

Alice in Dairyland 5/23/2021 3:02:59 PM

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In #20 JCM said: "Know what you mean, I had truck like that once."

Lol, I think just about everybody's had a truck like that once.

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 3:06:14 PM

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Reply to Alice in Dairyland in 23:

Trying to remember the year of a Chevy Nova my parents owned. I got to borrow it for a while at college, and figured it was quite safe. It could take 10 minutes to get it to start. Ah, carburetors

Jukebox

Alice in Dairyland 5/23/2021 3:22:47 PM

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In #24 Kosh's Shadow said: could take 10 minutes to get it to start.

I knew a guy in high school who's car never started.  He had to always park facing downhill so he could pop the clutch and off he'd go.

buzzsawmonkey 5/23/2021 3:57:01 PM

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doppelganglander 5/23/2021 4:04:12 PM

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Reply to Alice in Dairyland in 19:

I had a professor in college who lived in a normal subdivision on about an acre of land. She said when she went to Italy, she was asked what kind of crops she raised. 

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 4:08:35 PM

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In #25 Alice in Dairyland said: I knew a guy in high school who's car never started.  He had to always park facing downhill so he could pop the clutch and off he'd go.

This had an automatic. 

I never got to drive a standard until college. Girlfriend had a Ford Pinto, and she wanted to let others drive it instead of being the person driving us around. (How many college students fit into a Pinto? I think we had 6 or 7)

She let me drive it; didn't expect I'd be perfectly capable of driving it on the roads, not just parking lot in less than 30 minutes. I had the basics, even if I never got to practice. Stalled only once - the first time.

She has since passed away, actually. Makes me feel old. 

Occasional Reader 5/23/2021 4:09:35 PM

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Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 4:10:10 PM

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In #27 doppelganglander said: I had a professor in college who lived in a normal subdivision on about an acre of land. She said when she went to Italy, she was asked what kind of crops she raised. 

We have 1.1 acres. Mostly trees on a steep hill. Crops? No, but plenty of wild turkeys.

Need a wildlife camera, 

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 4:10:52 PM

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In #29 Occasional Reader said: He just finished off a nearly 1 pound dry aged ribeye steak all by himself

Mandy used to refer to her son as "the walking stomach"

buzzsawmonkey 5/23/2021 4:11:41 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 29:

If he used his left hand to do it, he might be a gaucho.

Kosh's Shadow 5/23/2021 4:13:58 PM

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In #26 buzzsawmonkey said: So...should the new Wokie Flag be called the Emotional Scars and Stripes, or the Emotional Scars and Gripes?

Scars and gripes.

The sailors in the days of wooden ships had Spars and Gripes

Occasional Reader 5/23/2021 4:59:18 PM

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In #32 buzzsawmonkey said: If he used his left hand to do it, he might be a gaucho.

Perhaps I pampa'd him too much as a small child.

buzzsawmonkey 5/23/2021 5:00:49 PM

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In #34 Occasional Reader said: Perhaps I pampa'd him too much as a small child.

Did you tell him life is just a bolo cherries?

Occasional Reader 5/23/2021 5:12:42 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 35:

On the contrary, I told him that by the time a man is 18, he needs to “grow a pair“. Because if he doesn’t already by then have a parrillada.

/this pun might be a bridge too far