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JCM
6/20/2023 8:03:14 AM
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I amused / annoyed by the coverage of the missing tourist submersible. Reporter who haven't the wit to do a little research in order to ask intelliget questions and look like the complete morons they really are. The the variety of "experts" they find. Some knowledgeable like a former US Naval sub skipper. But most don't know all that much and speculations all over the map. They should ask Don Lemon if it was swallowed by a black hole.
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JCM
6/20/2023 8:44:18 AM
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And this doesn't make a ripple in the US media. Death toll rises to 291 in Odisha's Balasore train accident The tragic incident of a triple train accident on June 2 which involved the Chennai-bound Coromandel Express, the Howrah-bound Shalimar Express and a goods train claimed the lives of 288 people.
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buzzsawmonkey
6/20/2023 9:09:25 AM
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In #3 JCM said: See! The DoJ isn't biased! I thought their unofficial motto was "You can bias buy us."
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JCM
6/20/2023 11:00:15 AM
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I have never seen a poem as racist as a tree.
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JCM
6/20/2023 12:15:49 PM
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WTF OceanGate Titan submarine operated by video game controller, CEO says That is not how you build life critical systems. Sheesh. The micro switch in the friggin' game control glitches, the sub drives into the Titanic and gets tangled in the wreck or collapses part of the wreak on the sub. I saw one article, talking about weather could've affect the sub... no you ijit not 12,000 feet down. The surface search has not turned up anything, and comms were lost as the Titan reported arrive at Titanic. So reasonable conclusion they are down at the wreck site. Worst case scenarios, leak and or hull collapse or on board fire. Given the redundant surfacing mechanisms barring catastrophic failure they are mostly like entangled and trapped. The only rescue option is getting another submersible down to them. If they are lucky the other sub may be able to clear whatever is entrapping them and surface on their own. Or attaching a cable for attempting a hoist. That runs the risk of damaging the sub during a lift if the debris is not cleared first. I've seen nothing about a submersible being on scene for such a operation.
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vxbush
6/20/2023 12:27:15 PM
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Reply to JCM in 9: I don't have time today, but I need to write up a note in the Frontier about something that happened recently involving what should have been treated as a proper safety system and wasn't.
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Kosh's Shadow
6/20/2023 4:05:25 PM
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Reply to JCM in 9: The US is waiting to find the sub before sending any rescue sub. But this might be a worst case scenario OceanGate, company behind missing Titanic tourist sub, once subject of lawsuit over safety complaints OceanGate, the company behind the submersible that went missing while visiting the wreckage of the Titanic, was once the subject of a massive lawsuit from an employee who alleged he was fired because he had raised safety concerns over how deep the vessel could descend. Lochridge’s counterclaim states he used an inspection report that identified numerous issues that posed "serious safety concerns, and offered corrective action and recommendations for each." At the meeting, Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the engineering department: The viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters – although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters, according to the complaint. The documents say Lochridge learned the viewport manufacturer "would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to the experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy standards. RTWT
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JCM
6/20/2023 4:32:02 PM
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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 11: No biggie... Titanic is only 3 times deeper than the 1300m for the viewport. They were planning on a certification for 4000m.... Titanic is at 3800. What safety margin were they putting into that 4000m? Failed viewing port would certain fit the circumstance we have.
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Occasional Reader
6/20/2023 5:02:42 PM
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Reply to JCM in 9: “ Worst case scenarios, leak and or hull collapse or on board fire.”
I’m starting to think that’s actually the best case scenario. At least it would’ve been quick.
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JCM
6/20/2023 5:24:37 PM
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Reply to Occasional Reader in 13: Yup, sitting around waiting for your air to run out... not a good thing.
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Kosh's Shadow
6/20/2023 5:32:15 PM
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In #14 JCM said: Yup, sitting around waiting for your air to run out... not a good thing. Air or freeze to death first?
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JCM
6/20/2023 7:06:19 PM
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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 15: Water temp at the wreak is just above freezing, it the electrical is out no heaters. 5 people would warm the small space some.
Looks like cold might beat out air, hypothermia around 48 hours vs. 96 for the air on board.
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Kosh's Shadow
6/20/2023 8:14:22 PM
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Reply to JCM in 16: Thinking about the lack of signals, that tells me there was some catastrophic problem that prevented them from sending any messages.
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