vxbush 11/9/2020 6:47:44 AM

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Man, the news media is absolutely just running on Biden winning without the reality of, you know, actually winning the necessary states and without the, you, know Electoral College actually confirming it. The level of delusion is amazing. He might actually win--it could absolutely happen--but this ignoring of the law is so brazen on its face. Every single media outlet that is mainstream (in any sense) is totally on board. 

If they wanted to confirm to me how stupid they are, they've done it.

JCM 11/9/2020 6:55:25 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 1:

They are locking into everyone's heads if Trump does win it was by fraud.

Instead of the reverse being the truth.

buzzsawmonkey 11/9/2020 6:57:45 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 1:

"Stupid?" No; calculating.  

Again, all you have to do is listen to the media reflexively dismissing any and all claims of fraud or irregularity in voting as "baseless," "groundless," etc., and consider that if this were a situation where someone gunned down 10 people on camera and was apprehended with the gun still smoking in his hand, these same media would meticulously refer to him as "the alleged shooter."

They should be referring to "allegations" or "accusations" or "claims of potential" vote fraud/election irregularities, but instead they are dismissing them all, prior to adjudication, as "baseless," "unfounded," and the like.  It is a constant stream of dishonest bias that is intended to lay a groundwork in the malleable minds of low-infoes.

buzzsawmonkey 11/9/2020 6:58:07 AM

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Reply to JCM in 2:

Precisamente eso.

Occasional Reader 11/9/2020 7:25:35 AM

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In #3 buzzsawmonkey said: listen to the media reflexively dismissing any and all claims of fraud or irregularity in voting as "baseless," "groundless," etc.,

And this is why I can't listen to NPR any more.  It used to at least be entertaining to hear the nuance in their spin; now, it's as subtle as a jackhammer. 

Alice in Dairyland 11/9/2020 7:39:13 AM

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In #5 Occasional Reader said: And this is why I can't listen to NPR any more.

This is why I've switched over to watching Newsmax, America First and America Voice on Pluto TV through the Roku player.  They are free stations.  I can't listen to any of the main stream media anymore.  It's too depressing.  This at least gives me hope.  They show there are people fighting the fraudulent election results.  They don't refer it to baseless accusation.

turn 11/9/2020 7:41:32 AM

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In #1 vxbush said: Every single media outlet that is mainstream (in any sense) is totally on board. 

Apparently every living president (except Trump of course) is as well, they’ve already congratulated Biden for a win. This was announced by NBC news this morning, I haven’t bothered to verify it.

turn 11/9/2020 7:49:54 AM

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In #6 Alice in Dairyland said: This is why I've switched over to watching Newsmax, America First and America Voice on Pluto TV through the Roku player.  They are free stations.

I’ve only recently “discovered” that I can get news through Pluto TV, I’ve got Newsmax on right now. Plus there is Blaze TV which is Glenn Beck’s network and Bill O’Reily has a channel too.

JCM 11/9/2020 8:00:38 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 5:

I can’t handle any media anymore. Even Fox is disgusting at the low end to vile.

buzzsawmonkey 11/9/2020 8:02:35 AM

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In #9 JCM said: Even Fox is disgusting at the low end to vile.

I thought Tucker Carlson provided a lonely isle of sanity there?

doppelganglander 11/9/2020 8:13:43 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 10:

That's one hour in the evening. For now I've drastically cut my news consumption and I feel much better. I am thinking about how to get involved in our Senate races to ensure a GOP majority. 

Occasional Reader 11/9/2020 8:23:33 AM

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In #7 turn said: Apparently every living president

Dubya, we hardly knew ye. 

Alice in Dairyland 11/9/2020 8:32:51 AM

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In #9 JCM said: Even Fox is disgusting at the low end to vile.

They're calling it "Fix News" now.  It looks like they are slowly weeding out their conservative shows now too.

doppelganglander 11/9/2020 8:44:41 AM

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Reply to Alice in Dairyland in 13:

Dumb move. They're going to lose their conservative viewers but CNN/MSNBC etc. viewers will not suddenly flock to them. They are convinced Fox is a right-wing noise machine and they will not change their minds regardless of who is on the air.

vxbush 11/9/2020 8:46:48 AM

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In #3 buzzsawmonkey said: "Stupid?" No; calculating.   Again, all you have to do is listen to the media reflexively dismissing any and all claims of fraud or irregularity in voting as "baseless," "groundless," etc., and consider that if this were a situation where someone gunned down 10 people on camera and was apprehended with the gun still smoking in his hand, these same media would meticulously refer to him as "the alleged shooter." They should be referring to "allegations" or "accusations" or "claims of potential" vote fraud/election irregularities, but instead they are dismissing them all, prior to adjudication, as "baseless," "unfounded," and the like.  It is a constant stream of dishonest bias that is intended to lay a groundwork in the malleable minds of low-infoes.

I'm trying to think of any nations besides Germany and Italy and Communist countries (surely there are more and I'm just not aware) that have had to fight this type of top-down corruption of information. I'd like to see if there is a way to fix it without going full insurrection and revolution. I'm thinking Poland's 1989 quiet revolution is the model to go by, but I'm open to other historical suggestions. 

Occasional Reader 11/9/2020 8:47:33 AM

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Question asked: is Andrew Cuomo actually pro-Covid?

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/11/09/cuomo-bad-news-pfizer-announced-vaccine-results-biden-takes-office/

Alice in Dairyland 11/9/2020 8:51:47 AM

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In #7 turn said: every living president (except Trump of course) is as well, they’ve already congratulated Biden

On the bright side, neither China nor Russia has called yet.  Said they were waiting for the final results.  Funny how they seem to respect the voting laws in this country better than our own former presidents and news media.

buzzsawmonkey 11/9/2020 8:54:27 AM

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vxbush 11/9/2020 8:58:23 AM

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In #17 Alice in Dairyland said: On the bright side, neither China nor Russia has called yet.  Said they were waiting for the final results. 

Wow. In light of the past, that's shocking.

Occasional Reader 11/9/2020 9:04:56 AM

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In #17 Alice in Dairyland said: On the bright side, neither China nor Russia has called yet.  Said they were waiting for the final results.  Funny how they seem to respect the voting laws in this country better than our own former presidents and news media.

Ditto for the thoroughly-leftist president of Mexico (Lopez-Obrador).  I respect him for that. 

turn 11/9/2020 9:18:44 AM

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In #17 Alice in Dairyland said: On the bright side, neither China nor Russia has called yet. 

It seems to me that it’s as if they are holding a winning hand in poker and don’t want to tip their hand by showing exuberance before the bet is called. They would both much rather have Biden in the White House.

Occasional Reader 11/9/2020 9:25:38 AM

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Reply to turn in 21:

or... A more optimistic reading; they are hedging their bets in case Trump actually pulls off the win. They know that Biden in any case would be obsequious to them if he wins, but they’re afraid of Trump being vengeful if he comes out the winner.

Alice in Dairyland 11/9/2020 9:28:37 AM

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In #21 turn said: They would both much rather have Biden in the White House.

They don't want to be left to deal with Trump if Biden's team isn't able to pull this fraud off.  How can they pretend they were a "friend" to Trump if they show bias against him now?  They can kiss up to Biden later if they have to, don't want to antagonize Trump now.

Occasional Reader 11/9/2020 9:32:19 AM

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Reply to Alice in Dairyland in 23:

GMTA

turn 11/9/2020 10:12:38 AM

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In #22 Occasional Reader said: or... A more optimistic reading; they are hedging their bets in case Trump actually pulls off the win. They know that Biden in any case would be obsequious to them if he wins, but they’re afraid of Trump being vengeful if he comes out the winner.

That is more optimistic and still a possibility, yes.

turn 11/9/2020 10:14:38 AM

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In #23 Alice in Dairyland said:   They can kiss up to Biden later if they have to, don't want to antagonize Trump now.

Well said, and they know Trump is angry now so why chance it and make it worse should he win.

JCM 11/9/2020 10:57:08 AM

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Every single one of these stories needs to be run down, investigated and proven or discounted.

Every report of discrepancy must be run down in a transparent investigation.

Occasional Reader 11/9/2020 11:55:24 AM

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In #27 JCM said:

Why?  The MSM have already declared the winner!  Just as the Constitution dictates! 

buzzsawmonkey 11/9/2020 12:06:34 PM

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JCM 11/9/2020 12:14:32 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 28:

Apparently I'm a traitor, according to the Constitutional Scholar Joe Scarborough.

Occasional Reader 11/9/2020 12:25:50 PM

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Reply to JCM in 30:

And once again, Trump has an uncanny ability to make masks drop.

midwestgak 11/9/2020 1:14:09 PM

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Reply to turn in 7:

 The President of Mexico is waiting for the legal process to play out before congratulating any one.

JCM 11/9/2020 1:19:28 PM

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Reply to midwestgak in 32:

Wait until Vlad calls it for Trump......

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Kosh's Shadow 11/9/2020 2:13:56 PM

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In #33 JCM said: Wait until Vlad calls it for Trump...... //

RUSSIAN COLLUSION!!!!//////

Kosh's Shadow 11/9/2020 2:17:40 PM

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In #31 Occasional Reader said: And once again, Trump has an uncanny ability to make masks drop.

So that's why COVID is so bad ... Wait, that isn't the kind of mask you are referring to.

turn 11/9/2020 2:21:59 PM

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Reply to midwestgak in 32:

And he deserves respect for that gak.