vxbush 12/14/2020 5:54:34 AM

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I have to say, with having to eat gluten free, I do miss bagels. 

Morning, campers. 

Kosh's Shadow 12/14/2020 6:02:54 AM

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In #1 vxbush said: I have to say, with having to eat gluten free, I do miss bagels. 

Well, there are GF "bagels" available, but they aren't the same. Check the frozen section. Several brands available here,

vxbush 12/14/2020 6:18:51 AM

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In #2 Kosh's Shadow said: Well, there are GF "bagels" available, but they aren't the same. Check the frozen section. Several brands available here,

Oh, I know, but they really aren't the same. The denseness, the taste--it just isn't right. 

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 6:21:46 AM

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lucius septimius 12/14/2020 6:30:51 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 4:

They're getting the box cars ready.

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 6:38:32 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 5:

The handwringing about "violence" when they've let antifa/BLM run riot for months without a peep was really just a wee bit much.

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 6:50:37 AM

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lucius septimius 12/14/2020 7:09:26 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 6:

But there is no violence!  BLM is peaceful!  Antifa is an "idea"!

I have talked to highly educated liberals who genuinely have had no idea what's been going on -- they hadn't heard of the riots because the Drive-By media won't report on it.  But oh boy do they know all about Proud Boys and Right-Wing Militias.

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 7:21:34 AM

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In #8 lucius septimius said: But oh boy do they know all about Proud Boys and Right-Wing Militias.

Well, they're one---maybe two---up on me there.  As far as I've been able to determine, both those things are largely figments of an hysterical Leftist media's fever dreams.  

Certainly neither the Proud Boys nor "right-wing militias" have torn down statues, committed wholesale vandalism, arson, and looting, widespread violence, or killed anywhere near the number of people those associated with antifa and BLM have.

lucius septimius 12/14/2020 7:23:38 AM

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In #9 buzzsawmonkey said: neither the Proud Boys nor "right-wing militias" have torn down statues, committed wholesale vandalism, arson, and looting, widespread violence, or killed anywhere near the number of people those associated with antifa and BLM have.

Huh?  None of that has happened.  I know because NYT and CNN have assured me that the protests were peaceful, a new summer of love.

vxbush 12/14/2020 7:25:03 AM

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In #8 lucius septimius said: I have talked to highly educated liberals who genuinely have had no idea what's been going on -- they hadn't heard of the riots because the Drive-By media won't report on it.  But oh boy do they know all about Proud Boys and Right-Wing Militias.

I'm running into the same thing--most liberals I know get all their news from the MSM and MSM web sites, so they only know what is being reported there. However, most conservatives I meet--those who weren't tuned in to media malfeasance during the Iraq War--are starting to tune in now and have looked at NewsMax and One America News or are using them for their primary news sources. 

lucius septimius 12/14/2020 7:28:19 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 11:

And it's only going to get worse.  They are looking for any opportunity to start jailing and prosecuting anyone who dares disagree with them.

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 7:30:14 AM

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In #10 lucius septimius said: None of that has happened. 

Years ago---when PBS was actually still educational---it showed a play called something like "The Madness of Zalman."  It took place in Soviet Russia some time around Stalin's death (I can't remember if it was just before, just after, or during the in-between deathwatch), and one member of some impoverished Jewish community decides to openly, loudly speak the truth to the community about what is going on in their lives.  Of course the community---and especially the "community leaders"---are thrown into a tizzy of dread, and the play is all about what they do to try and stay in with the authorities. 

I don't remember the details---all I can recall is the final lines of the play: "It never really happened.  Not here. Not now."  

Seems there's a lot of that going around these days.

JCM 12/14/2020 8:04:49 AM

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NYSlimes.

We don't need to give people the facts.

We can't trust the people to make reasoned decisions with those facts.

No.....

JCM 12/14/2020 8:06:45 AM

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Reposting from yesterday. Another outstanding piece of real journalism from Erik Johnson.

It is 90 minutes. It's worth it. So put it on your to watch list.

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 8:07:07 AM

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Reply to JCM in 14:

Behind the paywall.  

BTW, the thread pic doesn't appear for me.

JCM 12/14/2020 8:09:33 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 16:

No bagel and lox for you!

JCM 12/14/2020 8:10:44 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 16:

The headline is enough, didn't read the article.

Tells you alot about the media approach to covid.

vxbush 12/14/2020 8:24:16 AM

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In #14 JCM said: NYSlimes. We don't need to give people the facts. We can't trust the people to make reasoned decisions with those facts. No..... It’s Time to Scare People About Covid

Slimes indeed. Ignoring their own reporting a few months ago about how PCR testing is producing a lot of false positives. 

Occasional Reader 12/14/2020 8:24:43 AM

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Reply to JCM in 15:

I watched part of that yesterday. Will try to finish it today. One thing that struck me: the guy that interviewed who went from upstanding family man to junkie because he got addicted to OxyContin following foot surgery. Frankly, I just don’t understand that. I have a bottle of OxyContin tucked high up in my sock drawer at this very moment. I used it for a few days after my knee surgery, per Dr.‘s orders, and then stopped.   But when I was taking the stuff, it wasn’t like it gave me some sort of euphoric high feeling, something that one would want to “chase“. It dulled the pain somewhat, made me a little sleepy, and gave me a slightly weird dreams when I slept; that’s it. I realize that the phenomenon of getting hooked on the stuff is apparently widespread, but I truly don’t get it.

Occasional Reader 12/14/2020 8:26:48 AM

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In #8 lucius septimius said: But oh boy do they know all about Proud Boys

It seems that the memo went out that every good progressive is supposed to worry about the “proud boys”, sometime around the end of October. Suddenly every leftist I knew was babbling away about them.

JCM 12/14/2020 8:32:55 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 20:

I think there is such a thing as a predisposition to addiction, whether mental, bio-chemical, or genetic, I think it exists.

There is also the nexus of mental illness and drug addiction. The mentally ill attempt to self medicated. I also think some like the gentleman you mention was say had borderline and undiagnosed mental illness, which hadn't overtly manifest the introduction to oxy into his system may have tipped his brain chemistry over the edge.

JCM 12/14/2020 8:43:06 AM

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What Is a COVID-19 Immunity Passport—and Who Will Get One? Here's What Experts Say

An immunity passport could prove a person has been vaccinated, and they might be given more freedom about gathering in public places and traveling.

Role that phrase around in your head... "GIVEN MORE FREEDOM".

doppelganglander 12/14/2020 8:43:31 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 12:

Being conservative is a hate crime.

JCM 12/14/2020 8:50:40 AM

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Forensic exam of Dominion Voting Machine.

We conclude Dominion Voting Systems is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.

lucius septimius 12/14/2020 8:52:35 AM

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In #21 Occasional Reader said: Suddenly every leftist I knew was babbling away about them.

They really do send out memos, don't they?  It's remarkable how people are so dense to the fact that suddenly all of the news outlets are repeating exactly the same words and phrases and never for a second begin to doubt the uniformity.  i suspect it's because they find the aura a certainty reassuring.  After all, the point is not to inform, but to reinforce the listener's sense of his own inherent goodness.

JCM 12/14/2020 8:55:48 AM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 24:

According the WA State Supreme Court, public health issues cannot be put to a vote of The People. The appointed experts, not the legislature are sole authority for public health issues.

Racism is being called a public health issue. Opposition to them will be a public health issue.

And the rules will be outside of the legal processes.

lucius septimius 12/14/2020 8:56:53 AM

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In #24 doppelganglander said: Being conservative is a hate crime.

I always like then liberals being to describe a "conservative" argument -- all they usually end up with is a bunch of positions that no conservative has actually taken, publicly or otherwise.  I saw this in a recent set of book reviews in the WSJ.  The same author -- a self-proclaimed progressive -- set out to provide parallel "histories" of Liberalism and Conservatism.  Naturally, he claimed all the significant thinks from the Enlightenment on as "liberals" and included among the conservatives mostly second-tier or fringe thinkers.  And the starting assumption was that liberals love progress and equality while conservatives hate progress and want order and the conservation or return to archaic hierarchies.   So we begin with a false dichotomy and then spend over 700 pages piling up strawmen in a one of the most energetic leftist labors in the ricks of straw.

lucius septimius 12/14/2020 9:21:19 AM

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This is interesting -- self-victimhood (a la SJWs) is a personality trait.  And a toxic one at that.

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 9:27:05 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 29:

"God help us, every one!"

---Tiny Vic-Tim

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 9:50:42 AM

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Speaking of the old "lump of coal in the Christmas stocking" thing, one of the regrets of my decades of delving into the detritus of American civilization is that I did NOT buy an anthracite paperweight which was carved with a scrimshaw image of a mine head.

Apparently "coal art" was a common folk art in areas like Western Pennsylvania about 100 years ago, plus or minus 20-30 years either way, but I've seen relatively few examples of this art form.  Whaling scrimshaw is now routinely counterfeited using pieces of molded resin that resemble whalebone, but nobody has yet, to my knowledge, begun counterfeiting coal scrimshaw. 

I recall also seeing a mantle clock, which I could not afford---it was in a pricy shop, and without a mantlepiece I hardly needed a mantle clock---where the clock face and movement were set in a donut of anthracite polished to a high gloss,  which was then set upon a horizontal piece of rusticated anthracite (that is, anthracite carved to look rough-hewn).  

It's an interesting and, I think, relatively-neglected genre of Americana.

Occasional Reader 12/14/2020 9:55:24 AM

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In #23 JCM said: Role that phrase around in your head... "GIVEN MORE FREEDOM".

The "experts" seem quite determined to prove the Revelations-Fundamentalists correct, don't they? 

Occasional Reader 12/14/2020 10:01:31 AM

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In #31 buzzsawmonkey said: but nobody has yet, to my knowledge, begun counterfeiting coal scrimshaw. 

Eco-friendly wind turbine scrimshaw just isn't the same...

doppelganglander 12/14/2020 10:11:15 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 29:

Saw that earlier. I think it is very much a form of narcissism. The grandiosity is visible in the demands for world historic upheaval in society to protect the feelings of one person or a tiny group of people. 

I wish people could recognize that one can be polite and even compassionate toward, say, trans people, without affirming falsehoods. Even Orwell couldn't have imagined the insanity of being forced to believe a person with a penis is a woman.

vxbush 12/14/2020 10:11:23 AM

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In #25 JCM said: Forensic exam of Dominion Voting Machine. We conclude Dominion Voting Systems is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.

Good night. No business could stay in business with this terrible record of machine maintenance or following the laws. 

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 10:16:04 AM

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In #25 JCM said: We conclude Dominion Voting Systems is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.

That new "Li'l Stalin" model of theirs is really something...

JCM 12/14/2020 10:17:59 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 32:

They certainly feed that line of thinking.

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 10:20:18 AM

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In #32 Occasional Reader said: The "experts" seem quite determined to prove the Revelations-Fundamentalists correct, don't they? 

There's a Four Gramscian-Whoresmen of the Apocalypse joke lying around somewhere...

Occasional Reader 12/14/2020 10:21:59 AM

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On a happier note: WOW!!!

Who here ever thought (prior to a few months ago) that we would live to see this?

https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/burj-khalifa-lights-up-for-historic-dubai-hanukkah-celebrations-651785

JCM 12/14/2020 10:55:38 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 39:

That is amazing.

Occasional Reader 12/14/2020 12:50:51 PM

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Reply to JCM in 40:

DrumpfHitler's recognition of the capital of Israel as being, well, the capital of Israel has left the Middle East IN FLAMES!!!1!!!!

doppelganglander 12/14/2020 12:58:31 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 41:

It's amazing how achievable peace in the Middle East is once you circumvent the Palestinians. 

Occasional Reader 12/14/2020 2:15:32 PM

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In #42 doppelganglander said: It's amazing how achievable peace in the Middle East is once you circumvent the Palestinians. 

Ah, but remember John Kerry has told us that Middle East peace is not only not possible, but not even desirable, unless and until the Palis are fully on board.  So, peace in the Middle East is subject to the veto of (inter alia) Hamas.  Forever.  

Kosh's Shadow 12/14/2020 2:20:43 PM

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In #43 Occasional Reader said: Ah, but remember John Kerry has told us that Middle East peace is not only not possible, but not even desirable, unless and until the Palis are fully on board.  So, peace in the Middle East is subject to the veto of (inter alia) Hamas.  Forever.  

buzzsawmonkey 12/14/2020 3:01:14 PM

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There is fraud, fraud, too big to be ignored
And he snores, and he snores---
There are plenty "irregularities"
And the Attorney General snores

My eyes are dim, I cannot see
I have not brought my specs with me
I have not brought my specs with me...