Occasional Reader 11/23/2021 6:31:12 AM

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Good morning,

’ow to speek Beebish:

”parade incident”

https://www.bbc.com/news

vxbush 11/23/2021 6:36:03 AM

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In #1 Occasional Reader said: ’ow to speek Beebish: ”parade incident”

I suppose we get to go back and change how we described their incident on July 7?

lucius septimius 11/23/2021 6:37:09 AM

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Occasional Reader 11/23/2021 7:13:18 AM

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In #3 lucius septimius said: Running commentary on the guilt of criminal defendants is despicable when offered by barroom braggarts, but when it comes from the most powerful man on the planet it amounts to reckless endangerment of the rights of his fellow citizens.

I disagree with the first part; we the people (barroom braggarts or not) are perfectly free to offer our opinions regarding court cases that are in the news, and there's generally nothing wrong with doing so.  But the second part, yes, the POTUS should not be mouthing off on the subject, because that truly does endanger the rights of the accused.  

Occasional Reader 11/23/2021 7:16:45 AM

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Oh, hooray, we're tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve; that way it'll be nice and depleted if we face an actual crisis-crisis, like a war or embargo.

Gosh, if only there were some magical, fantastic way for the US to become a net energy exporter, so that we wouldn't have to resort to such desperate measures. 

vxbush 11/23/2021 7:20:34 AM

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In #5 Occasional Reader said: Oh, hooray, we're tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve; that way it'll be nice and depleted if we face an actual crisis-crisis, like a war or embargo.

I found news last week that oil from the reserve was being sent overseas, but I don't recall where that was. Bother. 

In #5 Occasional Reader said: Gosh, if only there were some magical, fantastic way for the US to become a net energy exporter, so that we wouldn't have to resort to such desperate measures. 

Go find your magic wand, OR! Quick!

lucius septimius 11/23/2021 7:21:03 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 4:

I suspect the barroom line is intended more as rhetorical flourish than substance.  The following paragraph gets to the heart of the matter and, from what I've seen, neatly summarizes the attitude of the left as they've been broadcasting it since MeToo:

In the minds of the ranting radicals of the Squad or MSNBC, dimly repeated by the president, these so-called rights—presumption of innocence, due process, trial by jury, proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, etc., are not the bedrock legal protections against overweening authority the Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence has deemed them to be. In the minds of the regnant left when they find the defendant unsympathetic, they are inconveniences, fetishized excrescences of judicial process that obstruct and subvert the larger and more important objective of social justice. In this increasingly popular account on the left, they are the armor with which the capitalist white supremacists protect their hegemony. As such they can be dismissed.

vxbush 11/23/2021 7:25:33 AM

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In #7 lucius septimius said: subvert the larger and more important objective of social justice

While I don't disagree with the paragraph, I'm thinking this transition to demonize white people who may have committed a crime against white black people was in place before the social justice nonsense got into full swing. Hispanic White George Zimmerman was not our first contestant in this, was he? 

JCM 11/23/2021 7:27:56 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 3:

If we really are to have a democracy, then the will of the majority must be the deciding factor in cases like this!

*dripping*

Occasional Reader 11/23/2021 7:29:00 AM

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In #7 lucius septimius said: I suspect the barroom line is intended more as rhetorical flourish than substance. 

Yes, but it just gets to a pet peeve of mine; people who declare that no one should be opining on an ongoing criminal trial, "because the defendant has the right to a presumption of innocence!".  That's an evidentiary rule, for court proceedings, not some sort of general moral rule regarding public discussion.  

Occasional Reader 11/23/2021 7:29:37 AM

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In #8 vxbush said: I'm thinking this transition to demonize white people who may have committed a crime against white black people

FIFY.

Kosh's Shadow 11/23/2021 7:36:33 AM

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In #3 lucius septimius said: Running commentary on the guilt of criminal defendants is despicable when offered by barroom braggarts, but when it comes from the most powerful man on the planet it amounts to reckless endangerment of the rights of his fellow citizens.

Biden is not the most powerful man in the world. Whoever is telling him what to do might be.

Kosh's Shadow 11/23/2021 7:38:38 AM

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Just took the dogs out, and witnessed a murder -

crows were flying around and cawing to each other.

Occasional Reader 11/23/2021 7:40:18 AM

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In #13 Kosh's Shadow said: Just took the dogs out, and witnessed a murder -

OMG ANOTHER WHITE SUPREMACIST ATROCITY

Kosh's Shadow 11/23/2021 7:54:51 AM

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In #14 Occasional Reader said: OMG ANOTHER WHITE SUPREMACIST ATROCITY

Black Crows Matter

buzzsawmonkey 11/23/2021 8:22:25 AM

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In #4 Occasional Reader said: But the second part, yes, the POTUS should not be mouthing off on the subject, because that truly does endanger the rights of the accused.  

Few now remember that Charles Manson almost walked because Richard Nixon referred to him, while the case was still being tried,  as being "responsible, directly or indirectly," for the Family murders.

JCM 11/23/2021 8:24:08 AM

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Fauci on the top of the hour news... "We are following the science.... we hope the booster extends the effectiveness...."

Are you following the science? Or are you hoping? Which is it?

buzzsawmonkey 11/23/2021 8:27:15 AM

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Reply to JCM in 17:

Dr. Fauci appears to be a camp-follower of science.

doppelganglander 11/23/2021 8:42:58 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 18:

I don't want to wish death on anyone,  but if Fauci were to die of Covid, I would relish the irony.

JCM 11/23/2021 8:43:30 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 18:

Tells me he doesn't have data.

We follow the science, the studies so far show that the booster extends the effectiveness....

That's how a real doctor / sciences would say it.

vxbush 11/23/2021 9:36:21 AM

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In #20 JCM said: That's how a real and capable doctor / sciences would say it.

Fixed. 

Alice in Dairyland 11/23/2021 10:47:24 AM

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In #4 Occasional Reader said: I disagree with the first part; we the people (barroom braggarts or not) are perfectly free to offer our opinions regarding court cases that are in the news, and there's generally nothing wrong with doing so.

It would be nice if they considered all the facts first.  My leftist sister still thinks Kyle Rittenhouse should have gotten the death penalty and his mother should face charges too for taking him across state lines!  I'm afraid she gets most of her news from her friends on Facebook.  Good thing her opinions don't mean a hill of beans to me; but I guess she's entitled to them, right or wrong.

Kosh's Shadow 11/23/2021 11:36:50 AM

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Reply to Alice in Dairyland in 22:

I don't remember which case of a black thug being killed by a white (or white Hispanic?) guy they were discussing, but at a former job, my NPR-listening co-workers were bemoaning the person was acquitted.

I pointed out if you got your news from MSNBC or the Boston Globe, or Fox, you would consider the coverage to be of two quite different cases. Only the jurors got all the evidence and voted to acquit.

That shut them up.

buzzsawmonkey 11/23/2021 12:04:10 PM

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doppelganglander 11/23/2021 12:12:05 PM

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Jonah Goldberg's and Stephen Hayes' departures from Fox may have been based on something other than principle.

Fox had no plans to renew their contracts in 2022.

doppelganglander 11/23/2021 12:14:06 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 25:

Wrong link. Try this one.

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/11/23/turns-out-there-was-more-behind-that-never-trumpers-quit-fox-over-tucker-story-n480461

vxbush 11/23/2021 1:03:54 PM

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In #25 doppelganglander said: Jonah Goldberg's and Stephen Hayes' departures from Fox may have been based on something other than principle.

(cue that beautiful southern accent)

Bless their hearts. 

/fluffs fan

lucius septimius 11/23/2021 1:52:39 PM

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Kosh's Shadow 11/23/2021 1:58:09 PM

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In #25 doppelganglander said: Jonah Goldberg's and Stephen Hayes' departures from Fox may have been based on something other than principle.

This link says they're joining "The View"/

buzzsawmonkey 11/23/2021 4:11:03 PM

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JCM 11/23/2021 4:24:46 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 29:

Before or after transitioning?

Kosh's Shadow 11/23/2021 4:25:33 PM

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In #31 JCM said: Before or after transitioning?

They don't have to transition, just identify themselves as women

Kosh's Shadow 11/23/2021 4:26:17 PM

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In #30 buzzsawmonkey said: Is everybody gearing up for "Friday Of Color?"

Black Fridays Matter (to retail)

buzzsawmonkey 11/23/2021 4:29:46 PM

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In #33 Kosh's Shadow said: Black Fridays Matter (to retail)

Not if the "customers" decide to impose a "San Francisco Sale."