vxbush 12/10/2021 6:13:09 AM

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Kosh: 

You wrote yesterday that you thought any big problems in the vaccines would be caught by the Israeli medical community, and therefore it should be safe. 

I would counter, the same would be true of our own CDC and FDA, and yet they are clearly corrupted. It's not beyond reason to think the same may have happened in Israel. I would hope I'm wrong, but some group is throwing around a lot of money to get people to push these vaccines. 

Kosh's Shadow 12/10/2021 6:59:42 AM

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In #1 vxbush said: I would counter, the same would be true of our own CDC and FDA, and yet they are clearly corrupted. It's not beyond reason to think the same may have happened in Israel. I would hope I'm wrong, but some group is throwing around a lot of money to get people to push these vaccines. 

Israel is much more concerned with increasing its Jewish population, and that leaves a significant part of its medical community less corrupt. IIRC, the chloroquine(?) and ivermectin news originally came from Israel, and then was suppressed in the US and elsewhere. Similarly, Israeli researchers have developed cancer treatments that are more effective but less lucrative than chemotherapy, and so have gone nowhere internationally (and thus cannot get the large-scale tests needed for approval).

Israel also has a probably more effective vaccine, based on modifying a virus that does not infect humans to express the spike protein. That will probably be more effective, but is not being fast tracked for international use.

However, it seems COVID is taking a common path to becoming an annoyance to most people, not a killer. Pathogens usually evolve to be more transmittable but less virulent, as hosts who are less sick might not notice, and go spread the disease, and dying from a disease stops that host from spreading it. The omicron variant follows this - and seems to have fairly mild and short flu symptoms.

I do wonder, however, if there is something we are not being told about the disease, but at this point, I think way too much of the US government is under Chinese control, so this whole thing could be overblown by the CCP and its agents in the MSM and US government..

Kosh's Shadow 12/10/2021 7:00:44 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 2:

The big death rate is among elderly - so what does the US do, especially in NY? Send COVID patients to nursing homes, thus causing the death rate to look really bad.

JCM 12/10/2021 7:26:24 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 2:

The entire COVID response is counter to what guidelines were for a response in early March 2020. Boss Facui even said as late as March 18 that masking the general public was not effective, and not recommended. So what changed between mid March and the end of March that the Health Care bureaucracy tossed all the standing science and recommendations, to go down the response path of tyranny? 

Occasional Reader 12/10/2021 8:07:11 AM

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JCM 12/10/2021 8:19:21 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 5:

Pardon me, your RAAAAACISM is showing!

JCM 12/10/2021 8:37:43 AM

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Woke, CRT advocate rendered speechless in 45 seconds.

Alice in Dairyland 12/10/2021 8:39:55 AM

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In #5 Occasional Reader said: Oh, no! I missed my employer’s “diversity, equity, and inclusion“ award (virtual) ceremony!

How will you ever know if you won first prize????  You may no longer be "included".

Occasional Reader 12/10/2021 9:02:34 AM

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In #6 JCM said: Pardon me, your RAAAAACISM is showing!

If I attended, that would risk turnng the ceremony into a White Space, and making others Feel Unsafe.  I did the right thing. 

Occasional Reader 12/10/2021 9:05:24 AM

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In #8 Alice in Dairyland said: How will you ever know if you won first prize????  You may no longer be "included".

In that case, I'll have gained the most precious, precious status in our current society:  VICTIM

Kosh's Shadow 12/10/2021 9:41:53 AM

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Reply to JCM in 4:

The world has been fighting a virus from China with a public health policy from China that transforms the world into China.

vxbush 12/10/2021 10:13:28 AM

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In #11 Kosh's Shadow said: The world has been fighting a virus from China with a public health policy from China that transforms the world into China.

It's a good article, but not once was Trump mentioned, and I think a lot of the glowing press that China got at the beginning was an intentional slam against Trump. 

vxbush 12/10/2021 10:25:59 AM

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In #2 Kosh's Shadow said: Israel also has a probably more effective vaccine, based on modifying a virus that does not infect humans to express the spike protein. That will probably be more effective, but is not being fast tracked for international use.

Actually, that doesn't appear to be the case: 

Israel — several months ahead of us in the injection timeline — just broke some important news for people who took the jabs to “get this over with.” According to the Times of Israel, Arnon Afek, deputy director of Sheba Medical Center in Israel, said “whoever thinks that we won’t [have a fourth dose] is simply mistaken. But it seems that we will need to take a fourth, and fifth and sixth and seventh doses — who knows how many.”

If this really worked, then multiple boosters would not be necessary. 

Kosh's Shadow 12/10/2021 11:09:35 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 13:

I was referring to the Israel-developed Brilife vaccine, which is still in testing. Not fast-tracked

Kosh's Shadow 12/10/2021 1:24:04 PM

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Multiple Palestinians killed! Get the cameras!

What, they were killed by a Hamas weapons storage explosion? Never mind.

vxbush 12/10/2021 1:29:09 PM

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In #14 Kosh's Shadow said: I was referring to the Israel-developed Brilife vaccine, which is still in testing. Not fast-tracked

Ah, that wasn't clear to me. My apologies. 

Occasional Reader 12/10/2021 1:46:52 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 15:

Hamas doesn’t have “weapons”, silly, they just have harmless noisemakers, with which they seek to make their oppressed voices heard. 

Kosh's Shadow 12/10/2021 1:51:12 PM

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In #17 Occasional Reader said: Hamas doesn’t have “weapons”, silly, they just have harmless noisemakers, with which they seek to make their oppressed voices heard. 

Like how BLM considers burning down cities to be "free speech"?

JCM 12/10/2021 2:04:50 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 15:

I am trying to reconcile the word "camp" with the image showing multi-story apartment blocks.....

Alice in Dairyland 12/10/2021 3:27:48 PM

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Kosh's Shadow 12/10/2021 3:32:40 PM

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In #19 JCM said: I am trying to reconcile the word "camp" with the image showing multi-story apartment blocks.....

Joos putting Palestinians in concrete aggregation camps

Kosh's Shadow 12/10/2021 3:34:38 PM

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Reply to Alice in Dairyland in 20:

Just as I'm thinking that since the omicron variant is so mild, it would be good to let that go through the population to develop natural herd immunity.

But Fauci says otherwise......