Kosh's Shadow 2/4/2022 5:33:33 AM

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Kosh's Shadow 2/4/2022 5:38:11 AM

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As for no posting box in the Frontier - do you open it from a bookmark or from the link on the main page?

Perhaps logging out, close browser, open and log in again, and then see if it appears using the link on the main page.

The code here hasn't changed in a long time, but the address bar should have rudebridge.net/Posts/Create?threadID=xxxx in it

It is also possible to read threads, and that would not have Create in the address (something else)

I do notice the Frontier also has forumID= but that should not be a problem.

vxbush 2/4/2022 5:38:13 AM

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In #1 Kosh's Shadow said: Buzz, you have my prayers

Same here. 

lucius septimius 2/4/2022 6:23:22 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 1:

Mine as well.

doppelganglander 2/4/2022 6:54:34 AM

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vxbush 2/4/2022 6:57:29 AM

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lucius septimius 2/4/2022 7:03:17 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 6:

Not sure - I suppose it depends on the context.  It might mean that it would be difficult to check whether the citations are legit or not. 

Kosh's Shadow 2/4/2022 7:28:02 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 6:

Wikipedia,, as we know, is not that reliable for many topics. I find for astronomy and other physical sciences, and math, it is generally good. Politics, history, really can vary. 

I'd want to see what those primary sources are. 

Occasional Reader 2/4/2022 7:33:28 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 8:

People love to hate Wikipedia; but overall I think it's quite amazing.  Yes, on politicized topics the articles can be slanted; but I'm not sure that they are so much more heavily so, than would be a comparable article in Britannica.  And yes, generally if you look up something rechnical regarding a topic you know well, it's quite accurate. 

And, of course, you can find a Wiki article about practically any objectively-extant thing you can think of.  For instance, Britannica probably doesn't have an article about Toynbee Tiles.  

Kosh's Shadow 2/4/2022 7:41:39 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 9:

Wikipedia is probably worse than the NY Times when it comes to articles about Israel and the Paliterrorists. Impossible to keep Jew-hatred out of those; people try but there is an army of terror supporters editing it back, and those who try to correct it often find themselves locked out.

Kosh's Shadow 2/4/2022 7:44:21 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 10:

Wikipedia’s Jewish Problem: Pervasive, Systemic Antisemitism

Occasional Reader 2/4/2022 8:32:18 AM

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Inshallah, habibi, and all that:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02/mark-zuckerbergs-disaster-is-taking-silicon-valley-with-it.html

lucius septimius 2/4/2022 8:41:02 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 9:

My favorite Wikipedia moment was discovering a student having plagiarized from a Wikipedia article that referenced one of my articles.

lucius septimius 2/4/2022 8:43:21 AM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 8:

The earlier history sections tend to be pretty good, although one can make little historiographical nitpicks (as in, why didn't you cite ME??? I'm the authority on that subject you mouth breathing cretin!).

One of the most curious set of pages involve the Polish campaign of 1939. Not sure if they're still up in the form I saw about 10 years ago, but they were written by a very eloquent apologist for the Polish army.  Great deal of information from Polish sources, but reading them one would think that Poland actually won the war.

JCM 2/4/2022 8:43:23 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 6:

How does wiki define primary source?

Primary sources, in the real world, are considered more reliable. A primary source in the context of history, or journalism is a person who present or involved in the matter.

It doesn't sound like wiki has the same definition.

vxbush 2/4/2022 9:50:12 AM

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In #15 JCM said: How does wiki define primary source? Primary sources, in the real world, are considered more reliable. A primary source in the context of history, or journalism is a person who present or involved in the matter. It doesn't sound like wiki has the same definition.

This is my question, and is relevant for the page in question, in my estimation. 

The topic? Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. The warning in complete says, "This article needs more medical references for verification or relies too heavily on primary sources.Please review the contents of the article and add the appropriate references if you can. Unsourced or poorly sourced material may be challenged and removed.
Find sources: "Moderna COVID-19 vaccine" – news · newspapers ·books · scholar · JSTOR  (November 2021)"

It wasn't my intention to cloud the issue by only referencing the comment about primary sources, but given that the article has 194 citations from news, medical publications, clinical trials, government agencies, journal articles, and more would have such a warning attached to it. I checked the talk page, and most of the issues relate to proper citations, proper footnoting, etc. and not so much regarding disagreement over content. 

vxbush 2/4/2022 9:56:54 AM

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In #16 vxbush said: It wasn't my intention to cloud the issue by only referencing the comment about primary sources, but given that the article has 194 citations from news, medical publications, clinical trials, government agencies, journal articles, and more, who would have thought that a seemingly well-cited article would have such a warning attached to it.

Fixed. Brain slippage. 

buzzsawmonkey 2/4/2022 10:18:49 AM

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In #6 vxbush said: Honest question: if you saw an article in Wikipedia have a warning at the top of it that says the article "relies too heavily on primary sources," what would your opinion be? Because I found such a page, and before I go into it, I want to get people's opinions. 

"Primary sources" are usually considered the original/most accurate; it is presumed, usually correctly, that secondary or tertiary sources are basically the information contained in the primary sources filtered through another party's biases.  Disparaging something for relying on "primary sources" sounds like a complaint that the article in question is too accurate and does not correspond to the complainer's biases.

buzzsawmonkey 2/4/2022 10:19:23 AM

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buzzsawmonkey 2/4/2022 10:22:51 AM

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Thank you to everyone for their prayers and good wishes.  The procedure went smoothly, and more quickly/painlessly than expected.  Results not for another 3-4 days, but so far so good.  

Girlfriend now is carrying around a titanium plate as a marker to record where the core samples were taken from; I've got some titanium plates as a result of the foot surgery.  If we have a fight, it will be like something out of Greek mythology; the Clash of the Titaniums!

Occasional Reader 2/4/2022 10:36:26 AM

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Reply to lucius septimius in 14:

“ but reading them one would think that Poland actually won the war.”

See, also, the Army Museum in Buenos Aires; according to which one would get the impression that Argentina won in Las Malvinas.

Occasional Reader 2/4/2022 10:37:41 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 20:

Titanium is my favorite element, as Little OR can attest.

(When he meets new people, he often asks them what is their favorite element.)

JCM 2/4/2022 10:49:14 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 16:

First wiki has the correct definition for primary source.

The disclaimer makes no sense on that wiki article. By definition primary sources are the prefered reliable source.

As you point out a lot of the citations are medical journals etc....

Let's assume the wiki article is accurate based on the sources listed.

That leads me to the consideration that facts about the vaccine run contrary to the narrative and Wiki preferes the narrative, so they flag the article.

JCM 2/4/2022 10:49:14 AM

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Reply to vxbush in 16:

First wiki has the correct definition for primary source.

The disclaimer makes no sense on that wiki article. By definition primary sources are the prefered reliable source.

As you point out a lot of the citations are medical journals etc....

Let's assume the wiki article is accurate based on the sources listed.

That leads me to the consideration that facts about the vaccine run contrary to the narrative and Wiki preferes the narrative, so they flag the article.

Kosh's Shadow 2/4/2022 11:05:20 AM

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In #24 JCM said: That leads me to the consideration that facts about the vaccine run contrary to the narrative and Wiki preferes the narrative, so they flag the article.

Exactly my opinion. They want to uphold the narrative, but not look like they're censoring anything, so they flag the article.

JCM 2/4/2022 11:05:29 AM

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Tacoma WA has rising crime due to liberal policies.

Tacoma mayor unveils initiatives to aid frustrated businesses targeted by criminals

But don't worry the mayor has a PLAN!

• Paying $250,000 for short-term private security teams in business districts. The city is still trying to figure out which areas would be prioritized and how the one-to-two person teams would work.
• Allocating $300,000 to pay for replacing business windows, the most common complaint from businesses targeted by criminals. The estimated cost to replace one window is $2,500.
• Providing up to $3,000 for businesses participating in the voluntary vaccine verification program called Businesses Requiring A Vaccine Verification Onsite. The initiative was started by the Tacoma-Pierce County Health Department in January.

Which SHOCKING doesn't address the problem.

And just what does the vaccine have to do with reducing crime.....

*sigh* *thud*

buzzsawmonkey 2/4/2022 11:29:58 AM

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In #22 Occasional Reader said: Titanium is my favorite element, as Little OR can attest.

Some people are spoken of as being "in their element."  Me and my gal, we got our elements in us!

Alice in Dairyland 2/4/2022 12:12:55 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 20:

Glad things went smoothly.  Hoping for the best possible outcome for her (and you).

doppelganglander 2/4/2022 12:14:41 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 22:

When my son was a teenager, his go-to pickup line was "What's your favorite gas giant?"

doppelganglander 2/4/2022 12:16:12 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 20:

Excellent! I hope next week brings positive news.

vxbush 2/4/2022 12:52:15 PM

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In #20 buzzsawmonkey said: Thank you to everyone for their prayers and good wishes.  The procedure went smoothly, and more quickly/painlessly than expected.  Results not for another 3-4 days, but so far so good.  

Good news. Too bad titanium isn't magnetic, or you two could become more attracted to each other. /

In #25 Kosh's Shadow said: Exactly my opinion. They want to uphold the narrative, but not look like they're censoring anything, so they flag the article.

That's about as logical as any other explanation I can find. I'll be honest, though; I'm getting really tired of seeing naked emperors and no children around to call them on it. 

@PBJ3 2/4/2022 12:58:20 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 20:

I will keep you and your girlfriend in my thoughts and prayers.

buzzsawmonkey 2/4/2022 1:38:46 PM

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Occasional Reader 2/4/2022 4:32:29 PM

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Biden regime waives sanctions on Iran’s nuke program;

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-biden-lifts-sanctions-on-irans-nuclear-program

Kosh's Shadow 2/4/2022 5:13:51 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 34:

Article I read says Mearsheimer (of the anti-Israel paper) is in charge of foreign policy.

But never mind. Iran has been calling for death to America, and it is BIDEN STUPID to let them have any more ability to carry out their threat.

I am self-deleting more

Occasional Reader 2/4/2022 7:45:11 PM

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