turn 10/1/2020 5:05:43 PM

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JCM 10/1/2020 5:21:46 PM

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Teenagers.

Yesterday I bought a ice cream novelty pak at Costco, like 3 dozen bars, sandwiches etc...

Gone! All gone.

Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 6:15:47 PM

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Reply to JCM in 2:

Your precioussss iccceee cream is gone! 

buzzsawmonkey 10/1/2020 6:31:31 PM

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Kosh:  Re the article you posted in the day thread, two things: first, I wish that today's writers on Jewish issues would ditch the word "antisemitism," which was invented by Jew-haters to make their hate sound "scientific" and parlor-acceptable, and call it the Jew-hate that it is.

Second, the article, for me, points up the fact that young Jews are not taught Jewish history.  The Jewish history that runs through Western civilization is not taught in Western Civ classes (where that is even taught any more), and, worse, is not taught to young Jewish kids as part of their Hebrew School curriculum.  The result is that these kids show up in college, away from home, with no idea of the history of Jews over the last 2500 or so years.  This leaves them wholly mentally vulnerable to the Leftist garbage that is ladled into them on campus.

Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 6:37:52 PM

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Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 6:41:24 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 4:

Very good points. And note I try to say Jew-Hatred. I agree that the raw, clear terminology is needed.

The problem is, all but Orthodox education has succumbed to the "Long March" the article talks about- especially "Reform Judaism"

I went to Hebrew school long enough ago I learned about Israel and Jew-hatred.

(And I note how much the neighborhood of the old shul changed - a couple of months ago there was a shooting on the street.)

Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 6:43:59 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 6:

Another point. One day, our Hebrew School teacher was sick, so her husband explained Christianity to us, and how it differs from Judaism. Protected me from the Messianic "Jews", because I know about the Jewish concept of Moshiach and the differences (at least enough of them) between that and the Christian concept. For example, the Jewish messiah gets it right the first time - he doesn't need a "second coming".

buzzsawmonkey 10/1/2020 6:51:31 PM

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In #6 Kosh's Shadow said: The problem is, all but Orthodox education has succumbed to the "Long March" the article talks about- especially "Reform Judaism"

Orthodox Jews, sadly, do not give a damn about the last two thousand years plus of Jewish history unless there's a rabbi involved.  They do not teach about the Cossack massacres of the 1600s unless they talk about the Baal Shem Tov; they do not discuss the Jewish role in European and international commerce (e.g., the Jews opening up the Silk Road); they do not discuss the Napoleonic Emancipation, and the problems/issues it created; etc., etc.    If it's secular history, they don't give a damn.

Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 7:10:05 PM

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In #8 buzzsawmonkey said: Orthodox Jews, sadly, do not give a damn about the last two thousand years plus of Jewish history unless there's a rabbi involved.  They do not teach about the Cossack massacres of the 1600s unless they talk about the Baal Shem Tov; they do not discuss the Jewish role in European and international commerce (e.g., the Jews opening up the Silk Road); they do not discuss the Napoleonic Emancipation, and the problems/issues it created; etc., etc.    If it's secular history, they don't give a damn.

Yet they do a better job than the "Conservative" and "Reform", where it is all Holocaust and Tikkun Olam.

I went to a Modern Orthodox shul and Hebrew school 

Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 7:11:17 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 9:

I remember sitting on the steps during Yizkor, and later walking down Blue Hill Ave during the High Holy Days when it was wall-to-wall Jews

Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 7:14:27 PM

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In #10 Kosh's Shadow said: Blue Hill Ave during the High Holy Days when it was wall-to-wall Jews

Article about "Jew Hill Ave"

Leonard Nimoy's father had his barbershop there. American Kosher - even when it was wholesale only, they'd sell to my father, possibly the last Jew in the area.

buzzsawmonkey 10/1/2020 7:20:12 PM

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In #9 Kosh's Shadow said: Yet they do a better job than the "Conservative" and "Reform", where it is all Holocaust and Tikkun Olam.

"Better," yes---still nowhere near good enough. 

I was just over at "The New Americanist"---a spinoff site from WZ---which is basically Jew-friendly, but one of the regulars there used the dismissive "Ashkenaz" pejorative which is beloved of many neo-Nazi wannabees, who like to claim that European/Eastern European Jews are somehow "not legitimate" because they're "not truly Jewish."  It's the white-identarian version of Black Israelitism.  

I tried to enlighten him somewhat---he's basically a decent guy, and, I presumed, did not know what the history was behind the term and its use.  I think it went well, but only time will tell.

Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 7:24:31 PM

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In #12 buzzsawmonkey said: I was just over at "The New Americanist"---a spinoff site from WZ---which is basically Jew-friendly, but one of the regulars there used the dismissive "Ashkenaz" pejorative which is beloved of many neo-Nazi wannabees, who like to claim that European/Eastern European Jews are somehow "not legitimate" because they're "not truly Jewish."  It's the white-identarian version of Black Israelitism.   I tried to enlighten him somewhat---he's basically a decent guy, and, I presumed, did not know what the history was behind the term and its use.  I think it went well, but only time will tell.

Oy, vey. Ashkenazic, Sephardic, Mizrahi, and more - we are all Jews and hated.

Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 7:25:26 PM

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buzzsawmonkey 10/1/2020 7:27:17 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 11:

Interesting article.  It sort of reminds me of what happened to the West Side Jewish neighborhood of Lawndale in Chicago.

BTW, many years ago, when my brother was living in one of the Boston suburbs---I forget which one---he and his girlfriend, and I and my girlfriend, were out driving somewhere from point A to point B, and we got "buzzed" by a car full of teens.  My brother thought they wanted directions, or something, so rolled down his window---I, having a, shall we say, more urban experience, told him to ignore them and keep on driving.  He ignored my advice, and when the car drew abreast of us the (white) teens in the car started screaming a series of anti-Jewish epithets.

buzzsawmonkey 10/1/2020 7:28:15 PM

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Kosh's Shadow 10/1/2020 7:39:42 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 16:

Good night

Occasional Reader 10/1/2020 7:59:55 PM

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Hello I must be going... 

Just wanted to pop in.  Good night.