buzzsawmonkey 12/12/2020 5:12:40 PM

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Kosh's Shadow 12/12/2020 5:19:25 PM

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In #1 buzzsawmonkey said: Cuomo, today, when shutting down indoor dining or bar-going, said that the federal government must bail out these business owners.

I'm sure Harris will give them aid if they agree to things like $15 minimum wage, unionization, etc.

And if they don't, there will be pressure to deny bankruptcy or have the IRS go after them, because they're acting deplorably or something.

Kosh's Shadow 12/12/2020 5:22:30 PM

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Buzz, from Friday's thread:

In #25 buzzsawmonkey said: Regarding Kosh's #16, I'd note that a friend of mine who's a journalist in Israel (for a relatively left-leaning paper) dismisses BDS on the grounds that their feeble boycotts "have not hurt Israel economically."  I've tried to tell him that the point is not to actually be effective in hurting Israel economically directly, but to delegitimize Israel in the Western nations---and in that, they are, if not succeeding, making progress. Why some people continue to refuse to understand that the stated objective differs from the genuine objective is beyond me.

The BDS movement has clearly stated its objective is the destruction of Israel. The news media just ignores it.

The article I linked to (repeated here) states that.

While speaking to Time, Barghouti dissembles, his words open to the interpretation that if Israel only rids itself of its purported racism, identity-driven privilege and exclusion, Israel may be acceptable. Elsewhere, though, he is more upfront about his desire to eliminate the state of Israel, its very existence an inherent affront, as he sees it. Indeed, on another platform, he was very straightforward:

“A Jewish state in Palestine, in any shape or form, cannot but contravene the basic rights of the land’s indigenous Palestinian population…definitely, most definitely, we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian – rational Palestinian, not a sellout Palestinian—will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.”

Barghouti’s BDS colleague, Asad Abu Khalil, of Cal State University  concurred:

“That [the real aim of BDS is to bring down the Jewish state] should be stated as an unambiguous goal. There should not be any equivocation on the subject. Justice and freedom for the Palestinians are incompatible with the existence of the state of Israel.”

buzzsawmonkey 12/12/2020 5:38:49 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 3:

Lots of people say what their objectives are, and lots of other people disregard them when they do. Insofar as BDS has not, to date, materially harmed Israel,  a great many people have spent much time scoffing at the possibility that BDS could possibly do damage.  They were---are---basically the same as the two Little Pigs who built their houses of straw and sticks respectively, singing "Who's afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?"; unable to comprehend that merely because what began as a ragtag and bobtail initiative was initially ineffective did not mean it could become so.

Kosh's Shadow 12/12/2020 5:58:44 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 4:

And I propose some of the effort to oppose BDS has prevented it from causing that much economic harm to Israel.

It has, however, put at least 500 Palestinians out of work. SodaStream moved a plant to the Negev because of it, putting the 500 Palestinians who worked at their former plant out of work. But BDS does not care; the goal is to end Israel, and if a few hundred Palestinians lose their livelihood, or even their lives, it was for the cause.

PaladinPhil 12/12/2020 6:01:49 PM

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Occasional Reader 12/12/2020 6:08:15 PM

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Reply to PaladinPhil in 6:

Ummm, I *think* you mean the Tooth LGBTQ+.

Kosh's Shadow 12/12/2020 6:24:13 PM

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In #7 Occasional Reader said: Ummm, I *think* you mean the Tooth LGBTQ+.

An incisive comment. (Sort of stolen from Firesign)

Occasional Reader 12/12/2020 6:53:03 PM

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In #8 Kosh's Shadow said: An incisive comment.

As befitting my wisdom. I’m glad I have you here to root for me.

Kosh's Shadow 12/12/2020 7:12:05 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 9:

I can give mo-lar comments later

Occasional Reader 12/12/2020 7:42:58 PM

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