JCM 1/4/2021 5:24:27 PM

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Just chewed out a vendor.

Their drawings are one way. In a note on the description page is a reference to an external document, a MIL-SPEC, just a note... 4 - MIL-SPEC...

No reason for the note.

On page 32 of the MIL-SPEC is a footnote, if the part has this sub-class then the part is mirrored from the drawing.

I told them having notes to external documents for fundamental features was not good practice.

Kosh's Shadow 1/4/2021 5:37:47 PM

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Reply to JCM in 1:

They deserve to be paid in a footnote, with bills mirror-image from real ones.

turn 1/4/2021 5:44:01 PM

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Reply to JCM in 1:
Good catch JCM! Great attention to detail. My guess is you may have been burnt a time or two in the past on similar obtuse drawings and specs, I know I have. It sure teaches you to really study everything on the drawing. 

JCM 1/4/2021 5:46:13 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 2:

Electronics vendors treat ANSI and JEDEC drawing standards as a "maybe" we'll do it. The worst are the ones that at first glance have a Standard format, but the details they do their own damn thing.

JCM 1/4/2021 5:49:44 PM

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Reply to turn in 3:

I've dealt with drawings with two origins. Co-worker built the thing and it didn't work. I spent a least a day looking at the thing and the drawings.

It was very subtle the mechanical connections used one origin and electrical used a different origin. No call out for it, just a mess of a drawing.

turn 1/4/2021 5:51:42 PM

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In #1 JCM said: 4 - MIL-SPEC...

How much more effort would it have been for the draftsman to simply add ... Part is mirror image per 4-MIL-SPEC, just to make things clear? None at all.

Kosh's Shadow 1/4/2021 5:52:08 PM

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Reply to JCM in 4:

This is where a good contract lawyer could come in. "Meet the spec, or you pay all the time we wasted trying to figure out what you gave us"

I know that this is complicated and there will be bugs - but a good attorney could write a contract that allows for mistakes, but not "This pin does not do what you said it does"

Of course, you might not find a vendor that accepts the contract.

turn 1/4/2021 5:53:42 PM

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In #5 JCM said: It was very subtle the mechanical connections used one origin and electrical used a different origin. No call out for it, just a mess of a drawing.

How friggen stupid is that? Sheesh

JCM 1/4/2021 5:56:02 PM

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Reply to turn in 6:

These guys are mess, not a single document gives you all the info you need to make the eCAD part. It takes 3 different docs to get all the information. Only ONE is included on the web page for the part. I had to get creative in my searching and finally found the 2nd document, which referenced the 3rd which I couldn't find and had to request from the vendor.

Not a single document follows any drawing standard.

Only because I've dealt with MIL-SPEC did i pull that document.

Unfortunately I can't deny an engineer a part because the vendors docs are garbage.

turn 1/4/2021 5:58:57 PM

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In #9 JCM said: Unfortunately I can't deny an engineer a part because the vendors docs are garbage.

That’s why you earn the big bucks! The engineers would be lost without you. 

JCM 1/4/2021 6:09:07 PM

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turn 1/4/2021 6:10:16 PM

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In #9 JCM said: Not a single document follows any drawing standard.

Here is the vendors latest drawing. Can you build this?

JCM 1/4/2021 6:10:41 PM

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Reply to turn in 12:

The impossible just takes a little longer!

turn 1/4/2021 6:13:06 PM

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In #13 JCM said: The impossible just takes a little longer!

That’s the attitude! Ha

Occasional Reader 1/4/2021 6:13:32 PM

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In my opinion, this displays at least a mild form of sociopathy:

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/423921/#respond

JCM 1/4/2021 6:19:43 PM

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Speaking of work. If you know teens thinking about a what career path to follow have them check out Printed Circuit Board Designer, or layout.

It doesn't require a degree, many tech schools and community colleges offer programs. Most designers started out as techs and just fell into, they got asked at some point do you want to work on a board?

The industry is screaming for layout people. We can't get enough. We just had to write a big contract with a design house to do a lot of the work because we can't find enough people. 

I've been out of the job market for over a year and still get 4 or so recruiting inquiries a week.

JCM 1/4/2021 6:21:03 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 15:

DATS RAAAAACIST!

Occasional Reader 1/4/2021 6:23:29 PM

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Reply to JCM in 17:

Of course, the sardonically hilarious part is that Harris and the rest of the “progressive“ our bitter enemies of “fweedom”, and shit all over Martin Luther King Jr.‘s legacy on a regular basis.

Occasional Reader 1/4/2021 6:27:32 PM

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In #18 Occasional Reader said: progressive“ our

= progressives are

/a speak-o

JCM 1/4/2021 6:28:23 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 18:

Oh hell they can't even be internally consistent.

Everything relative to the agenda.

Equality and diversity in the same breath with a new Jim Crow.

Kosh's Shadow 1/4/2021 7:09:24 PM

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Occasional Reader 1/5/2021 6:54:54 PM

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